Received: from mail-pd0-f183.google.com ([209.85.192.183]:63332) by stodi.digitalkingdom.org with esmtps (TLSv1:RC4-SHA:128) (Exim 4.80.1) (envelope-from ) id 1VuJI6-0004oe-Nc for lojban-list-archive@lojban.org; Sat, 21 Dec 2013 01:56:27 -0800 Received: by mail-pd0-f183.google.com with SMTP id r10sf594201pdi.20 for ; Sat, 21 Dec 2013 01:56:08 -0800 (PST) DKIM-Signature: v=1; a=rsa-sha256; c=relaxed/relaxed; d=googlegroups.com; s=20120806; h=mime-version:in-reply-to:references:date:message-id:subject:from:to :x-original-sender:x-original-authentication-results:reply-to :precedence:mailing-list:list-id:list-post:list-help:list-archive :sender:list-subscribe:list-unsubscribe:content-type; bh=cvYsfH4uUybnaW8lkWepYrt4r8yY9v8Fzhuv8pPKT3k=; b=C6dHEuzyMwjdDCbVm72Ab5efVtOvE5iG2PCadw5mtgryVuVG5ruEGVqA/FvhCCiItR G6EJYSmdXOcVzMoNZZlAkYRUX4WUEzC6099SP8SLJFjgiEaTWh3UUUT18U9Ie8+WACww HeXEzD5gxxVCm3S+VDtFx5+Tc50QWVMzGmc5v1vbZywdhTEKG8r0Y59d3yfu5J357n2v yxxDcFvCy3I1Zp3M4lfUK5m3w8lqbv08/UT4SRU2GYEK7BkMMB+VBOixw3EuemOX4RXI 4/ma7CkRUfE1Kd9wl42XsGGSi/jjpH4cYMaX3M75JSWYousyx3U34Z1GlQ/eOurE8Rq4 QZDw== X-Received: by 10.49.28.39 with SMTP id y7mr799qeg.35.1387619768669; Sat, 21 Dec 2013 01:56:08 -0800 (PST) X-BeenThere: lojban@googlegroups.com Received: by 10.49.59.49 with SMTP id w17ls1079049qeq.68.gmail; Sat, 21 Dec 2013 01:56:08 -0800 (PST) X-Received: by 10.224.62.8 with SMTP id v8mr5630948qah.2.1387619768306; Sat, 21 Dec 2013 01:56:08 -0800 (PST) Received: from mail-ob0-x235.google.com (mail-ob0-x235.google.com [2607:f8b0:4003:c01::235]) by gmr-mx.google.com with ESMTPS id l41si3704133yhi.5.2013.12.21.01.56.08 for (version=TLSv1 cipher=ECDHE-RSA-RC4-SHA bits=128/128); Sat, 21 Dec 2013 01:56:08 -0800 (PST) Received-SPF: pass (google.com: domain of coronacoreanici@gmail.com designates 2607:f8b0:4003:c01::235 as permitted sender) client-ip=2607:f8b0:4003:c01::235; Received: by mail-ob0-f181.google.com with SMTP id uy5so3664923obc.26 for ; Sat, 21 Dec 2013 01:56:08 -0800 (PST) MIME-Version: 1.0 X-Received: by 10.182.99.231 with SMTP id et7mr9935221obb.10.1387619767961; Sat, 21 Dec 2013 01:56:07 -0800 (PST) Received: by 10.76.33.38 with HTTP; Sat, 21 Dec 2013 01:56:07 -0800 (PST) In-Reply-To: References: Date: Sat, 21 Dec 2013 04:56:07 -0500 Message-ID: Subject: Re: [lojban] "salty" From: Paul Rapoport To: lojban@googlegroups.com X-Original-Sender: coronacoreanici@gmail.com X-Original-Authentication-Results: gmr-mx.google.com; spf=pass (google.com: domain of coronacoreanici@gmail.com designates 2607:f8b0:4003:c01::235 as permitted sender) smtp.mail=coronacoreanici@gmail.com; dkim=pass header.i=@gmail.com; dmarc=pass (p=NONE dis=NONE) header.from=gmail.com Reply-To: lojban@googlegroups.com Precedence: list Mailing-list: list lojban@googlegroups.com; contact lojban+owners@googlegroups.com List-ID: X-Google-Group-Id: 1004133512417 List-Post: , List-Help: , List-Archive: Sender: lojban@googlegroups.com List-Subscribe: , List-Unsubscribe: , Content-Type: multipart/alternative; boundary=089e0158a92e5a4d9304ee08677b X-Spam-Score: 0.0 (/) X-Spam_score: 0.0 X-Spam_score_int: 0 X-Spam_bar: / --089e0158a92e5a4d9304ee08677b Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1 Also, I'd assumed that a basic taste like umami would need a gismu as well. On Sat, Dec 21, 2013 at 4:54 AM, Paul Rapoport wrote: > You mean the letter-counting one? I thought I had. Those are the numbers > in parentheses in the previous email. I thought it only cared about those 6 > languages though. > > > On Sat, Dec 21, 2013 at 3:45 AM, Gleki Arxokuna < > gleki.is.my.name@gmail.com> wrote: > >> I mean did you run the algorithm counting ratings of generated gismu? >> >> http://dag.github.io/cll/4/14/ >> >> Mandarin: "siani" ("x" in pinyin is rather "si" than "c") >> Hindi: "namakin" >> Urdu: "namakin" >> Spanish: "salado" >> English:"salti" >> Arabic: "malix" >> Russian: "sylion" >> Portuguese: "salgado" >> French "sali" >> German: "saltsig" >> Japanese: "copai" / "ciokarai" >> Bengali: ??? >> Punjabi: ??? >> Javanese: ??? >> Wu: ??? >> Marathi: ??? >> Telugu: ??? >> Vietnamese: ??? >> >> >> On Sat, Dec 21, 2013 at 12:29 PM, Paul Rapoport < >> coronacoreanici@gmail.com> wrote: >> >>> It seems OK to me. I'm not sure what you mean. What do you mean by >>> standard algorithm? >>> E: salti (4) >>> C: cian (2) >>> S: salado (3) >>> R: solenyy (3) >>> H: namakina (2) >>> A: malx (2) >>> >>> As for definition: salty seems sufficient for an English definition, >>> because that refers to table salt/sea salt/cooking salt. A "perfect >>> example" of NaCl (ctisilna vrusi) would definitely work. >>> >>> >>> On Sat, Dec 21, 2013 at 2:52 AM, Gleki Arxokuna < >>> gleki.is.my.name@gmail.com> wrote: >>> >>>> lorxus added to jbovlaste >>>> salni = x1 is salty/briny to observer x2. >>>> >>>> See also silna, xamsi, titla, slari, kurki. This word is oddly missing; >>>> note that silna can mean sweet lead acetate, sour sodium citrate, bitter >>>> magnesium sulfate, or umami (which also needs a word!) sodium glutamate, so >>>> "silna vrusi" is almost meaningless. >>>> >>>> Is everything okay to you? I mean may be we should have used the >>>> standard algorithm? >>>> What is the etymology of this word? >>>> Russian:"solion" >>>> English:"solti" >>>> etc. >>>> >>>> Besides, I suggested that we used a taste prototype for it, namely NaCl >>>> and/or KCl. >>>> >>>> For now I can't accept neither sounding nor definition. >>>> >>>> -- >>>> You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google >>>> Groups "lojban" group. >>>> To unsubscribe from this group and stop receiving emails from it, send >>>> an email to lojban+unsubscribe@googlegroups.com. >>>> To post to this group, send email to lojban@googlegroups.com. >>>> Visit this group at http://groups.google.com/group/lojban. >>>> For more options, visit https://groups.google.com/groups/opt_out. >>>> >>> >>> -- >>> You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google >>> Groups "lojban" group. >>> To unsubscribe from this group and stop receiving emails from it, send >>> an email to lojban+unsubscribe@googlegroups.com. >>> To post to this group, send email to lojban@googlegroups.com. >>> Visit this group at http://groups.google.com/group/lojban. >>> For more options, visit https://groups.google.com/groups/opt_out. >>> >> >> -- >> You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups >> "lojban" group. >> To unsubscribe from this group and stop receiving emails from it, send an >> email to lojban+unsubscribe@googlegroups.com. >> To post to this group, send email to lojban@googlegroups.com. >> Visit this group at http://groups.google.com/group/lojban. >> For more options, visit https://groups.google.com/groups/opt_out. >> > > -- You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups "lojban" group. 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Also, I'd assumed that a basic taste like umami would = need a gismu as well.


On Sat, Dec 21, 2013 at 4:54 AM, Paul Rapoport <coronacoreanici@gmail.com> wrote:
You mean the letter-countin= g one? I thought I had. Those are the numbers in parentheses in the previou= s email. I thought it only cared about those 6 languages though.

On Sat, Dec 21, 2013 at 3:45 AM, Gleki Arxokuna = <gleki.is.my.name@gmail.com> wrote:
I mean did you run the algorithm counting ratings of gener= ated gismu?

http://dag.github.io/cll/4/14/

=
Mandarin: "siani" ("x" in pinyin is rather "si&quo= t; than "c")
Hindi: "namakin"
Urdu: "namakin"
Spanish: "salado"
English:"salti"
Arabic: "malix"
Russian: "sylion"
Portuguese: "salgado"
French "sali"
German: "saltsig"
Japanese: "copai" / &= quot;ciokarai"
Bengali: ???
Punjabi: ???
Javanese: ???
Wu: ???
Marathi: ???
Telug= u: ???
Vietnamese: ???


On Sat, Dec 21, 2013 at 12:2= 9 PM, Paul Rapoport <coronacoreanici@gmail.com> wrot= e:
It seems OK to me. I'm not sure what you mean. What do you mean= by standard algorithm?
E: salti (4)
C: cian (2)
S: salado (3)
R: = solenyy (3)
H: namakina (2)
A: malx (2)

As for definition: = salty seems sufficient for an English definition, because that refers to ta= ble salt/sea salt/cooking salt. A "perfect example" of NaCl (ctis= ilna vrusi) would definitely work.


On Sat, Dec 21, 2013 at 2:52 AM, Gleki Arxo= kuna <gleki.is.my.name@gmail.com> wrote:
lorxu= s added to jbovlaste
salni =A0=3D x1 is salty/briny to observer x2.

See also silna, xamsi, titla, slari, kurki. This w= ord is oddly missing; note that silna can mean sweet lead acetate, sour sod= ium citrate, bitter magnesium sulfate, or umami (which also needs a word!) = sodium glutamate, so "silna vrusi" is almost meaningless.

Is everything okay to you? I mean may= be we should have used the standard algorithm?
What is the etymo= logy of this word?
Russian:"solion"
English:&= quot;solti"
etc.

Besides, I suggested that we used a tast= e prototype for it, namely NaCl and/or KCl.

For no= w I can't accept neither sounding nor definition.

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