Received: from mail-wi0-f183.google.com ([209.85.212.183]:46269) by stodi.digitalkingdom.org with esmtps (TLSv1:RC4-SHA:128) (Exim 4.80.1) (envelope-from ) id 1VuLfU-00062j-9I for lojban-list-archive@lojban.org; Sat, 21 Dec 2013 04:28:39 -0800 Received: by mail-wi0-f183.google.com with SMTP id z2sf327459wiv.0 for ; Sat, 21 Dec 2013 04:28:24 -0800 (PST) DKIM-Signature: v=1; a=rsa-sha256; c=relaxed/relaxed; d=googlegroups.com; s=20120806; h=mime-version:in-reply-to:references:date:message-id:subject:from:to :x-original-sender:x-original-authentication-results:reply-to :precedence:mailing-list:list-id:list-post:list-help:list-archive :sender:list-subscribe:list-unsubscribe:content-type; bh=H1IDBdpzP0LknjzMb+2FOKbqX5vwp1KI06FfiVxby10=; b=TwwGkh9FyQWDxlyBhEenQZwV/bs7rEXIhF9I0ISKjk1z/7rpxVdXZu8U9452cWHiBO c8n5YH5YxHbqWPtPPexmWFLFs57IcWcwTCrsmQG6b/BRZAkfyMFu6wsEna2oV3sDvrpi BzSC5meRwK3lqqlyanE56s4OmJ6kWxl8LpUtJJ6KC0cYRDLKmz+gmqikTt1uSAspWeAi 7UkEFejsoHlGfe4ICFuhbcZSuCbvLVdwtF6+Ud1yceOGlNx+IDOVoI1Ca3JhA/c4NZmx WupLBIxvnlfAYSBXn/TDG2ipJ0mBxahpXX1NyTHv51MSD598BgjsO56/OgBHoSCrPJ5G mBIQ== X-Received: by 10.180.77.16 with SMTP id o16mr90936wiw.5.1387628904422; Sat, 21 Dec 2013 04:28:24 -0800 (PST) X-BeenThere: lojban@googlegroups.com Received: by 10.180.108.100 with SMTP id hj4ls553062wib.21.gmail; Sat, 21 Dec 2013 04:28:24 -0800 (PST) X-Received: by 10.15.51.132 with SMTP id n4mr4584765eew.3.1387628904022; Sat, 21 Dec 2013 04:28:24 -0800 (PST) Received: from mail-we0-x22a.google.com (mail-we0-x22a.google.com [2a00:1450:400c:c03::22a]) by gmr-mx.google.com with ESMTPS id s19si800512wik.0.2013.12.21.04.28.24 for (version=TLSv1 cipher=ECDHE-RSA-RC4-SHA bits=128/128); Sat, 21 Dec 2013 04:28:24 -0800 (PST) Received-SPF: pass (google.com: domain of gleki.is.my.name@gmail.com designates 2a00:1450:400c:c03::22a as permitted sender) client-ip=2a00:1450:400c:c03::22a; Received: by mail-we0-f170.google.com with SMTP id w61so3520115wes.29 for ; Sat, 21 Dec 2013 04:28:23 -0800 (PST) MIME-Version: 1.0 X-Received: by 10.180.13.139 with SMTP id h11mr11602968wic.3.1387628903927; Sat, 21 Dec 2013 04:28:23 -0800 (PST) Received: by 10.194.60.78 with HTTP; Sat, 21 Dec 2013 04:28:23 -0800 (PST) In-Reply-To: <12800FE4-E251-4658-9295-9F5BB1A64776@lojban.se> References: <12800FE4-E251-4658-9295-9F5BB1A64776@lojban.se> Date: Sat, 21 Dec 2013 16:28:23 +0400 Message-ID: Subject: Re: [lojban] "salty" From: Gleki Arxokuna To: lojban@googlegroups.com X-Original-Sender: gleki.is.my.name@gmail.com X-Original-Authentication-Results: gmr-mx.google.com; spf=pass (google.com: domain of gleki.is.my.name@gmail.com designates 2a00:1450:400c:c03::22a as permitted sender) smtp.mail=gleki.is.my.name@gmail.com; dkim=pass header.i=@gmail.com; dmarc=pass (p=NONE dis=NONE) header.from=gmail.com Reply-To: lojban@googlegroups.com Precedence: list Mailing-list: list lojban@googlegroups.com; contact lojban+owners@googlegroups.com List-ID: X-Google-Group-Id: 1004133512417 List-Post: , List-Help: , List-Archive: Sender: lojban@googlegroups.com List-Subscribe: , List-Unsubscribe: , Content-Type: multipart/alternative; boundary=001a11c24448e6201504ee0a87a7 X-Spam-Score: 0.0 (/) X-Spam_score: 0.0 X-Spam_score_int: 0 X-Spam_bar: / --001a11c24448e6201504ee0a87a7 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1 Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable Then {sodna} is the prototype we needed and the issue is closed. lo ciblu cu se vrusi lo sodna On Sat, Dec 21, 2013 at 1:19 PM, Sebastian wrote: > I vote for "sodnyvu'i", since saltiness are perceived when alkali metals > enter the taste buds. I strongly dislike inventing new gismu when not > necessary. > mu'omi'e seb > > Skickat fr=E5n min iPhone > > 21 dec 2013 kl. 08:52 skrev Gleki Arxokuna : > > lorxus added to jbovlaste > salni =3D x1 is salty/briny to observer x2. > > See also silna, xamsi, titla, slari, kurki. This word is oddly missing; > note that silna can mean sweet lead acetate, sour sodium citrate, bitter > magnesium sulfate, or umami (which also needs a word!) sodium glutamate, = so > "silna vrusi" is almost meaningless. > > Is everything okay to you? I mean may be we should have used the standard > algorithm? > What is the etymology of this word? > Russian:"solion" > English:"solti" > etc. > > Besides, I suggested that we used a taste prototype for it, namely NaCl > and/or KCl. > > For now I can't accept neither sounding nor definition. > > -- > You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups > "lojban" group. > To unsubscribe from this group and stop receiving emails from it, send an > email to lojban+unsubscribe@googlegroups.com. > To post to this group, send email to lojban@googlegroups.com. > Visit this group at http://groups.google.com/group/lojban. > For more options, visit https://groups.google.com/groups/opt_out. > > -- > You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups > "lojban" group. > To unsubscribe from this group and stop receiving emails from it, send an > email to lojban+unsubscribe@googlegroups.com. > To post to this group, send email to lojban@googlegroups.com. > Visit this group at http://groups.google.com/group/lojban. > For more options, visit https://groups.google.com/groups/opt_out. > --=20 You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups "= lojban" group. 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Then {sodna} is the prototype we needed and the issue is c= losed.

lo ciblu cu se vrusi lo sodna


On Sat, Dec 21, 2013 = at 1:19 PM, Sebastian <seb@lojban.se> wrote:
I vote for "sodn= yvu'i", since saltiness are perceived when alkali metals enter the= taste buds. I strongly dislike inventing new gismu when not necessary.
mu'omi'e seb

Skickat fr=E5n min iPhone

21= dec 2013 kl. 08:52 skrev Gleki Arxokuna <gleki.is.my.name@gmail.com>:
lorxus added to jbovlaste
salni =A0=3D x1 is salty/briny to observer = x2.

See also silna, xamsi, titla, slari, kurki= . This word is oddly missing; note that silna can mean sweet lead acetate, = sour sodium citrate, bitter magnesium sulfate, or umami (which also needs a= word!) sodium glutamate, so "silna vrusi" is almost meaningless.=

Is everything okay to you? I mean may= be we should have used the standard algorithm?
What is the etymo= logy of this word?
Russian:"solion"
English:&= quot;solti"
etc.

Besides, I suggested that we used a tast= e prototype for it, namely NaCl and/or KCl.

For no= w I can't accept neither sounding nor definition.

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