Received: from mail-gg0-f183.google.com ([209.85.161.183]:60320) by stodi.digitalkingdom.org with esmtps (TLSv1:RC4-SHA:128) (Exim 4.80.1) (envelope-from ) id 1VugmO-0003HO-EB for lojban-list-archive@lojban.org; Sun, 22 Dec 2013 03:01:29 -0800 Received: by mail-gg0-f183.google.com with SMTP id h13sf795914ggd.0 for ; Sun, 22 Dec 2013 03:00:52 -0800 (PST) DKIM-Signature: v=1; a=rsa-sha256; c=relaxed/relaxed; d=googlegroups.com; s=20120806; h=mime-version:in-reply-to:references:date:message-id:subject:from:to :x-original-sender:x-original-authentication-results:reply-to :precedence:mailing-list:list-id:list-post:list-help:list-archive :sender:list-subscribe:list-unsubscribe:content-type; bh=QNzUvurzJKkuHhSTrve9PN9b+wmd/NgEVQWbzWQTe7E=; b=T7Q4TobbsP3KqjrfrNGx5CIu/MHnwPKoyEMhSJgFc+3lAzov14AdLxN5eT9OgHQmfK HSN3qolJcWVRYAFCx26szB1UJ/XU7y2Mtk7k1RGGHUhWgQNkdbJw1TAXWhjM8kWtQaVB cE+F+nvbZZ6mgR4VmOD3EJer2KKs+rvYOjZxppsgg1jO7ktHwQZC+UGLsP8dwHwv0War 6Frgc9ZhG2zd/HShgmVakSU1tC+CWrWsXsQQfCItlU5xzTiWV7zXdThQK8KOXiyE/awv iKXNVyD3GSq/aLGNahXpl30k38jWHakBslOxR/Jno8kgwmOiAm9Y97DnVuTGtTb47jwR qCNw== X-Received: by 10.50.66.243 with SMTP id i19mr340594igt.17.1387710052407; Sun, 22 Dec 2013 03:00:52 -0800 (PST) X-BeenThere: lojban@googlegroups.com Received: by 10.50.110.69 with SMTP id hy5ls4517024igb.31.canary; Sun, 22 Dec 2013 03:00:51 -0800 (PST) X-Received: by 10.42.123.69 with SMTP id q5mr6662393icr.13.1387710051955; Sun, 22 Dec 2013 03:00:51 -0800 (PST) Received: from mail-oa0-x231.google.com (mail-oa0-x231.google.com [2607:f8b0:4003:c02::231]) by gmr-mx.google.com with ESMTPS id l41si4727663yhi.5.2013.12.22.03.00.51 for (version=TLSv1 cipher=ECDHE-RSA-RC4-SHA bits=128/128); Sun, 22 Dec 2013 03:00:51 -0800 (PST) Received-SPF: pass (google.com: domain of coronacoreanici@gmail.com designates 2607:f8b0:4003:c02::231 as permitted sender) client-ip=2607:f8b0:4003:c02::231; Received: by mail-oa0-f49.google.com with SMTP id i4so4640085oah.22 for ; Sun, 22 Dec 2013 03:00:51 -0800 (PST) MIME-Version: 1.0 X-Received: by 10.182.18.102 with SMTP id v6mr773967obd.71.1387710051573; Sun, 22 Dec 2013 03:00:51 -0800 (PST) Received: by 10.76.33.38 with HTTP; Sun, 22 Dec 2013 03:00:51 -0800 (PST) In-Reply-To: <520032ce-f5db-497b-87bb-c151a5496902@googlegroups.com> References: <6c574e80-490a-49fc-9993-b063ae4430c7@googlegroups.com> <520032ce-f5db-497b-87bb-c151a5496902@googlegroups.com> Date: Sun, 22 Dec 2013 06:00:51 -0500 Message-ID: Subject: Re: gismu algorithm (was: [lojban] "salty") From: Paul Rapoport To: lojban@googlegroups.com X-Original-Sender: coronacoreanici@gmail.com X-Original-Authentication-Results: gmr-mx.google.com; spf=pass (google.com: domain of coronacoreanici@gmail.com designates 2607:f8b0:4003:c02::231 as permitted sender) smtp.mail=coronacoreanici@gmail.com; dkim=pass header.i=@gmail.com; dmarc=pass (p=NONE dis=NONE) header.from=gmail.com Reply-To: lojban@googlegroups.com Precedence: list Mailing-list: list lojban@googlegroups.com; contact lojban+owners@googlegroups.com List-ID: X-Google-Group-Id: 1004133512417 List-Post: , List-Help: , List-Archive: Sender: lojban@googlegroups.com List-Subscribe: , List-Unsubscribe: , Content-Type: multipart/alternative; boundary=001a11c339e6ace64004ee1d6c5d X-Spam-Score: 0.0 (/) X-Spam_score: 0.0 X-Spam_score_int: 0 X-Spam_bar: / --001a11c339e6ace64004ee1d6c5d Content-Type: text/plain; charset=UTF-8 Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable I'm confused as to what was decided. On Sun, Dec 22, 2013 at 5:57 AM, iesk wrote: > I think we use etymology only to accelerate memorisability of gismu. >> Therefore why mutilating words? >> > > The developers of the algorithm apparently think that 'meaningless' > grammatical affixes would merely ruin the results. I think they have a > point, but, whatever. The importance of the gismu algorithm shouldn't be > overstated. > > > >> We could check the results from "salado/salada" and see what would give >> the maximum rating. >> > > Never mind. > > > >> >> >> >>> Also, the German transcription is wrong. >>> >> >> {zaltsix} ? >> >> > It is phonologically analysed as /'zaltsig/, but it is phonetically [=CB= =88 > zalts=C9=AA > =C3=A7 ] (or [=CB=88<= http://de.wikipedia.org/wiki/Liste_der_IPA-Zeichen> > zalts=C9=AA > k ]), so, yes, > {zaltsix} (if not {zalts}). > > >> >> Anyway i hope the issue with the concept of "salty" is closed. >> > > My intention has not been to re-open the issue, yes. > > -- > You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups > "lojban" group. > To unsubscribe from this group and stop receiving emails from it, send an > email to lojban+unsubscribe@googlegroups.com. > To post to this group, send email to lojban@googlegroups.com. > Visit this group at http://groups.google.com/group/lojban. > For more options, visit https://groups.google.com/groups/opt_out. > --=20 You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups "= lojban" group. 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I'm confused as to what was decided.


On Sun, Dec 22, 2013 = at 5:57 AM, iesk <pa.fae@gmx.de> wrote:
I think = =C2=A0we use etymology only to accelerate memorisability of gismu. Therefor= e why mutilating words?

The developers of the algorithm apparently think that '= meaningless' grammatical affixes would merely ruin the results. I think= they have a point, but, whatever. The importance of the gismu algorithm sh= ouldn't be overstated.

=C2=A0
We = could check the results from "salado/salada" and see what would g= ive the maximum rating.

Never mind.
=C2=A0



Also, the German transcription is wrong.

{zaltsix} ?


It is phonologically analysed as /'zaltsig/, but it is phonetically [=CB=88zalts=C9=AA=C3=A7] (or [=CB=88zalts=C9=AAk]), so, yes, {zaltsix} (if not {zalts}).
=C2=A0

Anyway i hope the issue with the concept of "salty" i= s closed.

My intention has not been to re-open the issue, yes.

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