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I think they have a >> point, but, whatever. The importance of the gismu algorithm shouldn't be >> overstated. >> >> >> >>> We could check the results from "salado/salada" and see what would give >>> the maximum rating. >>> >> >> Never mind. >> >> >> >>> >>> >>> >>>> Also, the German transcription is wrong. >>>> >>> >>> {zaltsix} ? >>> >>> >> It is phonologically analysed as /'zaltsig/, but it is phonetically [=CB= =88 >> zalts=C9=AA >> =C3=A7 ] (or [=CB=88= >> zalts=C9=AA >> k ]), so, yes, >> {zaltsix} (if not {zalts}). >> >> >>> >>> Anyway i hope the issue with the concept of "salty" is closed. >>> >> >> My intention has not been to re-open the issue, yes. >> >> -- >> You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Group= s >> "lojban" group. >> To unsubscribe from this group and stop receiving emails from it, send a= n >> email to lojban+unsubscribe@googlegroups.com. >> To post to this group, send email to lojban@googlegroups.com. >> Visit this group at http://groups.google.com/group/lojban. >> For more options, visit https://groups.google.com/groups/opt_out. >> > > -- > You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups > "lojban" group. > To unsubscribe from this group and stop receiving emails from it, send an > email to lojban+unsubscribe@googlegroups.com. > To post to this group, send email to lojban@googlegroups.com. > Visit this group at http://groups.google.com/group/lojban. > For more options, visit https://groups.google.com/groups/opt_out. > --=20 You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups "= lojban" group. 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You can only agree or disagree with Sebastian

On Dec 22, 2013 3:00 PM, "Paul Rapoport&quo= t; <coronacoreanici@gmail.c= om> wrote:
I'm confused as to what was decided.


On Sun, Dec 22, 2013 = at 5:57 AM, iesk <pa.fae@gmx.de> wrote:
I think =C2=A0w= e use etymology only to accelerate memorisability of gismu. Therefore why m= utilating words?

The developers of the algorithm apparently think that 'meanin= gless' grammatical affixes would merely ruin the results. I think they = have a point, but, whatever. The importance of the gismu algorithm shouldn&= #39;t be overstated.

=C2=A0
We could check the res= ults from "salado/salada" and see what would give the maximum rat= ing.

Never mind.

=C2= =A0



Also, the German transcription is wrong.
=
{zaltsix} ?

<= /div>

It is phonologically analysed as /'zaltsig/, but it is phonetically [=CB=88zalts=C9=AA=C3=A7] (or [=CB=88zal= ts=C9=AA= k]), so, yes,= {zaltsix} (if not {zalts}).
=C2=A0

Anyway i hope the issue with the concept of "salty" is clos= ed.

My inte= ntion has not been to re-open the issue, yes.

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