Received: from mail-ie0-f187.google.com ([209.85.223.187]:37125) by stodi.digitalkingdom.org with esmtps (TLSv1:RC4-SHA:128) (Exim 4.80.1) (envelope-from ) id 1VuhG6-0003OX-T5 for lojban-list-archive@lojban.org; Sun, 22 Dec 2013 03:32:00 -0800 Received: by mail-ie0-f187.google.com with SMTP id lx4sf798918iec.4 for ; Sun, 22 Dec 2013 03:31:40 -0800 (PST) DKIM-Signature: v=1; a=rsa-sha256; c=relaxed/relaxed; d=googlegroups.com; s=20120806; h=mime-version:in-reply-to:references:date:message-id:subject:from:to :x-original-sender:x-original-authentication-results:reply-to :precedence:mailing-list:list-id:list-post:list-help:list-archive :sender:list-subscribe:list-unsubscribe:content-type; bh=tOIOn3aED7C7bCqSfDvW7JQu3x3k+cHle1KBWzJJA6g=; b=bsMrmrPJ7dvWeqwA2Xxe14HwpdbA1N0JjFgyJM172M4w0JxwYYvz7VolPavM9WdyjU p6QRPfrczt09sJw5mAJLXki1vOhqB14mHRiLvHNibyFbIeimTcD6Pzk+1GJcvq1xnyis KaQp47ryapRU/155tgjZ6L9DsFPPyAtzWyFyr52FdA8SK8ByaeuH7ecTX9PYInCB+2KD 7xs3rG+LIZS5OKqH9Rb+5TRpKNglLYr8CRIYrxX39VkhycKRzUpU1Iu52NYVBcK0HuWI BsEJRRV8b3GmxoZt7tg1fvNKm5JQNUCNwV7cAz9dsLvCio4JEXraGuK3evPHzZdaoDPE swjw== X-Received: by 10.182.47.161 with SMTP id e1mr3297obn.24.1387711900896; Sun, 22 Dec 2013 03:31:40 -0800 (PST) X-BeenThere: lojban@googlegroups.com Received: by 10.182.138.9 with SMTP id qm9ls584103obb.14.gmail; Sun, 22 Dec 2013 03:31:40 -0800 (PST) X-Received: by 10.182.118.194 with SMTP id ko2mr7766019obb.32.1387711900463; Sun, 22 Dec 2013 03:31:40 -0800 (PST) Received: from mail-qe0-x22f.google.com (mail-qe0-x22f.google.com [2607:f8b0:400d:c02::22f]) by gmr-mx.google.com with ESMTPS id t9si1255693qcn.2.2013.12.22.03.31.40 for (version=TLSv1 cipher=ECDHE-RSA-RC4-SHA bits=128/128); Sun, 22 Dec 2013 03:31:40 -0800 (PST) Received-SPF: pass (google.com: domain of eyeonus@gmail.com designates 2607:f8b0:400d:c02::22f as permitted sender) client-ip=2607:f8b0:400d:c02::22f; Received: by mail-qe0-f47.google.com with SMTP id t7so4209118qeb.34 for ; Sun, 22 Dec 2013 03:31:40 -0800 (PST) MIME-Version: 1.0 X-Received: by 10.49.109.97 with SMTP id hr1mr32187447qeb.59.1387711900378; Sun, 22 Dec 2013 03:31:40 -0800 (PST) Received: by 10.96.224.98 with HTTP; Sun, 22 Dec 2013 03:31:40 -0800 (PST) In-Reply-To: <520032ce-f5db-497b-87bb-c151a5496902@googlegroups.com> References: <6c574e80-490a-49fc-9993-b063ae4430c7@googlegroups.com> <520032ce-f5db-497b-87bb-c151a5496902@googlegroups.com> Date: Sun, 22 Dec 2013 04:31:40 -0700 Message-ID: Subject: Re: gismu algorithm (was: [lojban] "salty") From: Jonathan Jones To: lojban@googlegroups.com X-Original-Sender: eyeonus@gmail.com X-Original-Authentication-Results: gmr-mx.google.com; spf=pass (google.com: domain of eyeonus@gmail.com designates 2607:f8b0:400d:c02::22f as permitted sender) smtp.mail=eyeonus@gmail.com; dkim=pass header.i=@gmail.com; dmarc=pass (p=NONE dis=NONE) header.from=gmail.com Reply-To: lojban@googlegroups.com Precedence: list Mailing-list: list lojban@googlegroups.com; contact lojban+owners@googlegroups.com List-ID: X-Google-Group-Id: 1004133512417 List-Post: , List-Help: , List-Archive: Sender: lojban@googlegroups.com List-Subscribe: , List-Unsubscribe: , Content-Type: multipart/alternative; boundary=047d7bea31a6df6a8704ee1ddae5 X-Spam-Score: 0.0 (/) X-Spam_score: 0.0 X-Spam_score_int: 0 X-Spam_bar: / --047d7bea31a6df6a8704ee1ddae5 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1 On Sun, Dec 22, 2013 at 3:57 AM, iesk wrote: > The developers of the algorithm apparently think that 'meaningless' > grammatical affixes would merely ruin the results. I think they have a > point, but, whatever. The importance of the gismu algorithm shouldn't be > overstated. > It has importance? When did that happen? I always figured it was created to save effort on creating 1400+ words. Or to put it another way, it was created for reasons of (understandable) laziness. Personally, I don't think it's necessary for determining the form of one or two *experimental* gismu. On a case by case basis, I'm certain a human would be much better at it. .i.e'ucai ko cmima lo pilno be denpa bu .i doi.luk. mi patfu do zo'o (Come to the Dot Side! Luke, I am your father. :D ) -- You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups "lojban" group. To unsubscribe from this group and stop receiving emails from it, send an email to lojban+unsubscribe@googlegroups.com. To post to this group, send email to lojban@googlegroups.com. Visit this group at http://groups.google.com/group/lojban. For more options, visit https://groups.google.com/groups/opt_out. --047d7bea31a6df6a8704ee1ddae5 Content-Type: text/html; charset=ISO-8859-1 Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable
On S= un, Dec 22, 2013 at 3:57 AM, iesk <pa.fae@gmx.de> wrote:
The developers of the algorithm apparentl= y think that 'meaningless' grammatical affixes would merely ruin th= e results. I think they have a point, but, whatever. The importance of the = gismu algorithm shouldn't be overstated.

It has = importance? When did that happen? I always figured it was created to save e= ffort on creating 1400+ words. Or to put it another way, it was created for= reasons of (understandable) laziness.

Personally, I don't think it's necessary for determining the fo= rm of one or two *experimental* gismu. On a case by case basis, I'm cer= tain a human would be much better at it.

.i.e'ucai ko cmima lo pilno be denpa bu .i doi.luk. mi patfu do zo&= #39;o
(Come to the Dot Side! Luke, I am your father. :D )

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