Received: from mail-qe0-f59.google.com ([209.85.128.59]:37143) by stodi.digitalkingdom.org with esmtps (TLSv1:RC4-SHA:128) (Exim 4.80.1) (envelope-from ) id 1VuqBZ-00068T-CT for lojban-list-archive@lojban.org; Sun, 22 Dec 2013 13:03:47 -0800 Received: by mail-qe0-f59.google.com with SMTP id ne12sf881572qeb.4 for ; Sun, 22 Dec 2013 13:03:35 -0800 (PST) DKIM-Signature: v=1; a=rsa-sha256; c=relaxed/relaxed; d=googlegroups.com; s=20120806; h=mime-version:in-reply-to:references:date:message-id:subject:from:to :x-original-sender:x-original-authentication-results:reply-to :precedence:mailing-list:list-id:list-post:list-help:list-archive :sender:list-subscribe:list-unsubscribe:content-type; bh=wZ7d3hr8LVdoiloVcoZDCtSwLmyW3rrHgR/S3RbkHlE=; b=zXUPVAND+lNrGqJE8n/MLRQUxgW7Us5BK8jqrfXn0hvwTXYF/mP68f6Vjir/Aj3O9y jE8dXjE9SYKtr8uFwCGZJ9YUq7fodpqYRdJom26Tib6aOPpTr3W12ZoJoLiqX1NbtgSQ ke7fEPWBh1Yq7B4rOVPKyM28Dp/IaGx5++mnT4Ewo6numYcRaLULh9vyrObQId8ItgCe wKR2sf+lANOTtlW//DdktamEb+41FuxruDLpstYEfFL49unZEuYp+dKDDT4CrbGQrPuM GZdCCST2X1JKP6ZD0+XcL6KCQw2PT2osFX2kmkWxfB1gjCmxabNy8Z1VHEBfbEXBwyNi SGPA== X-Received: by 10.182.124.5 with SMTP id me5mr593obb.23.1387746215319; Sun, 22 Dec 2013 13:03:35 -0800 (PST) X-BeenThere: lojban@googlegroups.com Received: by 10.182.220.130 with SMTP id pw2ls657164obc.51.gmail; Sun, 22 Dec 2013 13:03:34 -0800 (PST) X-Received: by 10.182.153.68 with SMTP id ve4mr8856202obb.39.1387746214778; Sun, 22 Dec 2013 13:03:34 -0800 (PST) Received: from mail-qe0-x234.google.com (mail-qe0-x234.google.com [2607:f8b0:400d:c02::234]) by gmr-mx.google.com with ESMTPS id t9si1765574qcn.2.2013.12.22.13.03.34 for (version=TLSv1 cipher=ECDHE-RSA-RC4-SHA bits=128/128); Sun, 22 Dec 2013 13:03:34 -0800 (PST) Received-SPF: pass (google.com: domain of eyeonus@gmail.com designates 2607:f8b0:400d:c02::234 as permitted sender) client-ip=2607:f8b0:400d:c02::234; Received: by mail-qe0-f52.google.com with SMTP id ne12so4499887qeb.11 for ; Sun, 22 Dec 2013 13:03:34 -0800 (PST) MIME-Version: 1.0 X-Received: by 10.229.71.5 with SMTP id f5mr36091743qcj.18.1387746214636; Sun, 22 Dec 2013 13:03:34 -0800 (PST) Received: by 10.96.224.98 with HTTP; Sun, 22 Dec 2013 13:03:34 -0800 (PST) In-Reply-To: References: <6c574e80-490a-49fc-9993-b063ae4430c7@googlegroups.com> <520032ce-f5db-497b-87bb-c151a5496902@googlegroups.com> Date: Sun, 22 Dec 2013 14:03:34 -0700 Message-ID: Subject: Re: [lojban] completely off-topic From: Jonathan Jones To: lojban@googlegroups.com X-Original-Sender: eyeonus@gmail.com X-Original-Authentication-Results: gmr-mx.google.com; spf=pass (google.com: domain of eyeonus@gmail.com designates 2607:f8b0:400d:c02::234 as permitted sender) smtp.mail=eyeonus@gmail.com; dkim=pass header.i=@gmail.com; dmarc=pass (p=NONE dis=NONE) header.from=gmail.com Reply-To: lojban@googlegroups.com Precedence: list Mailing-list: list lojban@googlegroups.com; contact lojban+owners@googlegroups.com List-ID: X-Google-Group-Id: 1004133512417 List-Post: , List-Help: , List-Archive: Sender: lojban@googlegroups.com List-Subscribe: , List-Unsubscribe: , Content-Type: multipart/alternative; boundary=001a1133bfaa2971b604ee25d82f X-Spam-Score: 0.0 (/) X-Spam_score: 0.0 X-Spam_score_int: 0 X-Spam_bar: / --001a1133bfaa2971b604ee25d82f Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1 Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable I'm sure you're aware of the names of the at least the majority of the letterals in Lojban ( {.abu}, {by.}, etc.). The names of "." and "," in Lojban are, respectively, {denpa bu} and {slaka bu}. The Dot Side doesn't refer to using letterals as pro-sumti, as in the {by.} in {la.benjis. gerku .i by. barda}. It refers to the practice of leading cmevla with a "." so that the latterals groups "la", "lai", and "doi" can be used in them. (As for example {la.doitcland.} or {la.las,andjeles.}). On Sun, Dec 22, 2013 at 1:53 PM, Jonathan Jones wrote: > Because I'm talking about the letteral ".", not the mathematical > expression {pi}. > > > On Sun, Dec 22, 2013 at 5:24 AM, iesk wrote: > >> Le dimanche 22 d=E9cembre 2013 12:31:40 UTC+1, aionys a =E9crit : >> >> > .i.e'ucai ko cmima lo pilno be denpa bu .i doi.luk. mi patfu do zo'o >> >> Why don't you use {me'o denpa bu}? I understand your {denpa bu} as an >> anaphora. A kind of unusual one, since word-initial glottal stops are >> ignored in the letterals-as-pro-sumti tradition. {me'o denpa bu goi denp= a >> bu}? ;) >> >> -- >> You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Group= s >> "lojban" group. >> To unsubscribe from this group and stop receiving emails from it, send a= n >> email to lojban+unsubscribe@googlegroups.com. >> To post to this group, send email to lojban@googlegroups.com. >> Visit this group at http://groups.google.com/group/lojban. >> For more options, visit https://groups.google.com/groups/opt_out. >> > > > > -- > mu'o mi'e .aionys. > > > .i.e'ucai ko cmima lo pilno be denpa bu .i doi.luk. mi patfu do zo'o > (Come to the Dot Side! Luke, I am your father. :D ) > --=20 mu'o mi'e .aionys. .i.e'ucai ko cmima lo pilno be denpa bu .i doi.luk. mi patfu do zo'o (Come to the Dot Side! Luke, I am your father. :D ) --=20 You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups "= lojban" group. 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I'm sure you're aware of the names of the at = least the majority of the letterals in Lojban ( {.abu}, {by.}, etc.). The n= ames of "." and "," in Lojban are, respectively, {denpa= bu} and {slaka bu}.

The Dot Side doesn't refer to using letterals as pro-sumti, a= s in the {by.} in {la.benjis. gerku .i by. barda}. It refers to the practic= e of leading cmevla with a "." so that the latterals groups "= ;la", "lai", and "doi" can be used in them. (As fo= r example {la.doitcland.} or {la.las,andjeles.}).


On Sun,= Dec 22, 2013 at 1:53 PM, Jonathan Jones <eyeonus@gmail.com>= wrote:
Because I'm talking abo= ut the letteral ".", not the mathematical expression {pi}.


On Sun, Dec 22, 2013 at 5:24 AM, iesk <pa.fae@gmx.de> = wrote:
Le dimanche 22 d=E9cembre 2= 013 12:31:40 UTC+1, aionys a =E9crit=A0:

> .i.e'ucai ko cmima= lo pilno be denpa bu .i doi.luk. mi patfu do zo'o

Why don't you use {me'o denpa bu}? I understand your {denpa bu}= as an anaphora. A kind of unusual one, since word-initial glottal stops ar= e ignored in the letterals-as-pro-sumti tradition. {me'o denpa bu goi d= enpa bu}? ;)

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.i.e'ucai ko cmi= ma lo pilno be denpa bu .i doi.luk. mi patfu do zo'o
(Come to = the Dot Side! Luke, I am your father. :D )



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mu'o mi'e .aion= ys.

.i.e'ucai ko cmima lo pilno be denpa bu .i doi.luk. mi patfu= do zo'o
(Come to the Dot Side! Luke, I am your father. :D )

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