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Le dimanche 22 d=E9cembre 2013 22:49:13 UTC+1, aionys a =E9crit :
>
>
> As I said, I'm not talking about pro-sumti.
>

I think bare letteral {denpa bu} acts as a pro-sumti. That's why I fail to=
=20
understand your sentence the way I believe it is meant to be understood.

>The Dot Side doesn't refer to using letterals as pro-sumti, as in the=20
{by.} in {la.benjis. gerku .i by. barda}. It refers to
>the practice of leading cmevla with a "." so that the *letteral* groups=20
"la", "lai", and "doi" can be used in them. (As for
>example {la.doitcland.} or {la.las,andjeles.}).

I understand that. But Dot Side doesn't change the way bare letterals are=
=20
interpreted as anaphora. The weird thing about {denpa bu} as an anaphora is=
=20
that it is unlikely to be used as such, since the words it could possibly=
=20
refer to can't start with denpa bu. (Although, technically, they can, since=
=20
every 'vowel-initial' word starts with {.V=85}, but the canonical anaphora =
is=20
of course {.V bu}, not {denpa bu}. Which makes sense.)

I think that {me'o denpa bu} is the way to say 'dot' (in the lerfu sense),=
=20
cf. <http://dag.github.io/cll/17/10/>. But I'll be happy to be corrected, I=
=20
tend to not get the subtleties.

(By the way, {lasandjeles} is not a well-formed word, even under Dot Side;=
=20
{ndj} is not a valid cluster.)

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<div dir=3D"ltr">Le dimanche 22 d=E9cembre 2013 22:49:13 UTC+1, aionys a =
=E9crit&nbsp;:<blockquote class=3D"gmail_quote" style=3D"margin: 0;margin-l=
eft: 0.8ex;border-left: 1px #ccc solid;padding-left: 1ex;"><div dir=3D"ltr"=
><div><div class=3D"gmail_quote"></div><br></div><div>As I said, I'm not ta=
lking about pro-sumti.<br clear=3D"all"></div></div></blockquote><div><br>I=
 think bare letteral {denpa bu} acts as a pro-sumti. That's why I fail to u=
nderstand your sentence the way I believe it is meant to be understood.<br>=
<br>&gt;The Dot Side doesn't refer to using letterals as pro-sumti, as in t=
he=20
{by.} in {la.benjis. gerku .i by. barda}. It refers to<br>&gt;the practice =
of=20
leading cmevla with a "." so that the <b>letteral</b> groups "la", "lai", a=
nd "doi" can be used in them. (As for<br>&gt;example {la.doitcland.} or {la=
.las,andjeles.}).<br><br>I understand that. But Dot Side doesn't change the=
 way bare letterals are interpreted as anaphora. The weird thing about {den=
pa bu} as an anaphora is that it is unlikely to be used as such, since the =
words it could possibly refer to can't start with denpa bu. (Although, tech=
nically, they can, since every 'vowel-initial' word starts with {.V=85}, bu=
t the canonical anaphora is of course {.V bu}, not {denpa bu}. Which makes =
sense.)<br><br>I think that {me'o denpa bu} is the way to say 'dot' (in the=
 lerfu sense), cf. &lt;http://dag.github.io/cll/17/10/&gt;. But I'll be hap=
py to be corrected, I tend to not get the subtleties.<br><br><font size=3D"=
1">(By the way, {lasandjeles} is not a well-formed word, even under Dot Sid=
e; {ndj} is not a valid cluster.)</font><br></div></div>

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