Received: from mail-pa0-f59.google.com ([209.85.220.59]:36214) by stodi.digitalkingdom.org with esmtps (TLSv1:RC4-SHA:128) (Exim 4.80.1) (envelope-from ) id 1VvuO3-00043j-LF for lojban-list-archive@lojban.org; Wed, 25 Dec 2013 11:45:07 -0800 Received: by mail-pa0-f59.google.com with SMTP id ld10sf1565328pab.4 for ; Wed, 25 Dec 2013 11:44:53 -0800 (PST) DKIM-Signature: v=1; a=rsa-sha256; c=relaxed/relaxed; d=googlegroups.com; s=20120806; h=mime-version:in-reply-to:references:date:message-id:subject:from:to :x-original-sender:x-original-authentication-results:reply-to :precedence:mailing-list:list-id:list-post:list-help:list-archive :sender:list-subscribe:list-unsubscribe:content-type; bh=XZr3jAXSobWNmVwzd27o5y0D7ic0W7EVPj/3nbCf/uE=; b=W0qh2ZPuFmi99ISgLBZdi9fSSXoywMFB2SDcrcmGc1A7Kb6HelepKTaaMRyqXT0hJv 5cPHLph7vxlhns4pIc+RAZOq6mayPjzDyPQZtUyAilnRObjZzObxXOqEVwhXX46Dhn4t DxhsdGvI+NMm7pDLNtM25Pn6WGSR5Lai/Sw8EZYLGRpCitPbOVmbbsqvhO2WTEYWWyf1 Yuhkm6Hj9fp/1xK6cQyJmOZve/AtZgXO/cR790jkPmdsuCKfQffUMywL508eF1h/jKFU ca6uo9VA4Rf3V2LdkQ9iVffYdTackoZkhXq5+nltvEfLH98qBksbzJcHlB9JSoK6FjsK jvGQ== X-Received: by 10.50.20.7 with SMTP id j7mr594172ige.8.1388000693303; Wed, 25 Dec 2013 11:44:53 -0800 (PST) X-BeenThere: lojban@googlegroups.com Received: by 10.50.238.129 with SMTP id vk1ls3441822igc.42.gmail; Wed, 25 Dec 2013 11:44:53 -0800 (PST) X-Received: by 10.66.251.40 with SMTP id zh8mr15101389pac.2.1388000692994; Wed, 25 Dec 2013 11:44:52 -0800 (PST) Received: from mail-qc0-x22b.google.com (mail-qc0-x22b.google.com [2607:f8b0:400d:c01::22b]) by gmr-mx.google.com with ESMTPS id x7si5449532qcn.1.2013.12.25.11.44.52 for (version=TLSv1 cipher=ECDHE-RSA-RC4-SHA bits=128/128); Wed, 25 Dec 2013 11:44:52 -0800 (PST) Received-SPF: pass (google.com: domain of mturniansky@gmail.com designates 2607:f8b0:400d:c01::22b as permitted sender) client-ip=2607:f8b0:400d:c01::22b; Received: by mail-qc0-f171.google.com with SMTP id c9so7026415qcz.2 for ; Wed, 25 Dec 2013 11:44:52 -0800 (PST) MIME-Version: 1.0 X-Received: by 10.49.131.5 with SMTP id oi5mr66081892qeb.38.1388000692772; Wed, 25 Dec 2013 11:44:52 -0800 (PST) Received: by 10.96.161.99 with HTTP; Wed, 25 Dec 2013 11:44:52 -0800 (PST) In-Reply-To: <13fed341-5d59-41bf-9a09-ce8fc16c0c4e@googlegroups.com> References: <13fed341-5d59-41bf-9a09-ce8fc16c0c4e@googlegroups.com> Date: Wed, 25 Dec 2013 14:44:52 -0500 Message-ID: Subject: Re: [lojban] Re: zdani mikce From: Michael Turniansky To: lojban@googlegroups.com X-Original-Sender: mturniansky@gmail.com X-Original-Authentication-Results: gmr-mx.google.com; spf=pass (google.com: domain of mturniansky@gmail.com designates 2607:f8b0:400d:c01::22b as permitted sender) smtp.mail=mturniansky@gmail.com; dkim=pass header.i=@gmail.com; dmarc=pass (p=NONE dis=NONE) header.from=gmail.com Reply-To: lojban@googlegroups.com Precedence: list Mailing-list: list lojban@googlegroups.com; contact lojban+owners@googlegroups.com List-ID: X-Google-Group-Id: 1004133512417 List-Post: , List-Help: , List-Archive: Sender: lojban@googlegroups.com List-Subscribe: , List-Unsubscribe: , Content-Type: multipart/alternative; boundary=047d7bdc06283da33504ee6118db X-Spam-Score: 1.2 (+) X-Spam_score: 1.2 X-Spam_score_int: 12 X-Spam_bar: + X-Spam-Report: Spam detection software, running on the system "stodi.digitalkingdom.org", has identified this incoming email as possible spam. The original message has been attached to this so you can view it (if it isn't spam) or label similar future email. If you have any questions, see the administrator of that system for details. Content preview: That's not quite correct. cmevla have to end in a consonant. But cmene do not have to be cmevla; selbri are perfectly fine as cmene (see Chapter 6.2.6 of the CLL). Just make sure when you douse them that you use the proper ku, cu, do'u, etc. following them to prevent possible tanruzation, or the like. (la solplise cu barda tcadu xu). 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But cmene do not have to be cmevla; selbri are perfectly fine as cmene (see Chapter 6.2.6 of the CLL). Just make sure when you douse them that you use the proper ku, cu, do'u, etc. following them to prevent possible tanruzation, or the like. (la solplise cu barda tcadu xu). --gejyspa On Wed, Dec 11, 2013 at 9:16 PM, lorxus wrote: > House-healer as in possibly a healer of houses. tanru are kinda tricky - > they don't tell you just what a "house type-of healer" is. Also, {sloplise} > is perfectly good Lojban: the last component in a lujvo can use the gismu > for a rafsi, and the old restraint on names having to end with a consonant > is pretty much disregarded. > > > On Wednesday, December 11, 2013 9:13:49 PM UTC-5, lorxus wrote: >> >> Err... that tanru actually means "house-healer". A tanru always is a type >> of the last word in it: a {zdani mikce} is a {mikce}, a {plise tricu} is a >> {tricu}. If you want hospital, {spita} works; if you want a house of >> healing, {le zdani be lo nu mikce}, and better and more concise would be >> {le velmikce zdani} or {le zdani be lo velmikce} - house of cures. >> >> On Wednesday, December 11, 2013 5:14:04 PM UTC-5, la xirsoi wrote: >>> >>> My fiance and I play Minecraft together and have been doing the City >>> Construction Challenge for... a while now. >>> >>> We've been using lojban to name stuff in our city (Sloplise). We aren't >>> overly concerned about being super grammatically correct (hence Sloplise >>> instead of Sloplis or Sloplises), but I'm curious if I got {zdani mikce} >>> correct as a name for "house of healing"?? >>> >>> These phrase type names/gismu always trip me up when it comes to >>> ordering them. >>> >> -- > You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups > "lojban" group. > To unsubscribe from this group and stop receiving emails from it, send an > email to lojban+unsubscribe@googlegroups.com. > To post to this group, send email to lojban@googlegroups.com. > Visit this group at http://groups.google.com/group/lojban. > For more options, visit https://groups.google.com/groups/opt_out. > -- You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups "lojban" group. To unsubscribe from this group and stop receiving emails from it, send an email to lojban+unsubscribe@googlegroups.com. 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=A0 That's not quite correct. =A0cmevla have to end in= a consonant. =A0But cmene do not have to be cmevla; selbri are perfectly f= ine as cmene (see =A0Chapter 6.2.6 of the CLL). =A0Just make sure when you = douse them that you use the proper ku, cu, do'u, etc. following them to= prevent possible tanruzation, or the like. (la solplise cu barda tcadu xu)= .

=A0 =A0 =A0 =A0--gejyspa

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On Wed, Dec 11, 2013 at 9:16 PM, lorxus <coronacoreanici@gmail.com> wrote:
House-healer as in possibly= a healer of houses. tanru are kinda tricky - they don't tell you just = what a "house type-of healer" is. Also, {sloplise} is perfectly g= ood Lojban: the last component in a lujvo can use the gismu for a rafsi, an= d the old restraint on names having to end with a consonant is pretty much = disregarded.


On Wednesday, December 11, 2013 9:13:49 PM UTC-5,= lorxus wrote:
Err.= .. that tanru actually means "house-healer". A tanru always is a = type of the last word in it: a {zdani mikce} is a {mikce}, a {plise tricu} = is a {tricu}. If you want hospital, {spita} works; if you want a house of h= ealing, {le zdani be lo nu mikce}, and better and more concise would be {le= velmikce zdani} or {le zdani be lo velmikce} - house of cures.=A0

On Wednesday, December 11, 2013 5:14:04 PM UTC-5, la xirsoi wrote:
My fiance and I play Mi= necraft together and have been doing the City Construction Challenge for...= a while now.

We've been using lojban to name stuff in our city (Slopl= ise). We aren't overly concerned about being super grammatically correc= t (hence Sloplise instead of Sloplis or Sloplises), but I'm curious if = I got {zdani mikce} correct as a name for "house of healing"??

These phrase type names/gismu always trip me up when it= comes to ordering them.
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