Received: from mail-oa0-f55.google.com ([209.85.219.55]:59178) by stodi.digitalkingdom.org with esmtps (TLSv1:RC4-SHA:128) (Exim 4.80.1) (envelope-from ) id 1VvuTG-00046Q-CX for lojban-list-archive@lojban.org; Wed, 25 Dec 2013 11:50:29 -0800 Received: by mail-oa0-f55.google.com with SMTP id l6sf1539515oag.20 for ; Wed, 25 Dec 2013 11:50:16 -0800 (PST) DKIM-Signature: v=1; a=rsa-sha256; c=relaxed/relaxed; d=googlegroups.com; s=20120806; h=mime-version:in-reply-to:references:date:message-id:subject:from:to :x-original-sender:x-original-authentication-results:reply-to :precedence:mailing-list:list-id:list-post:list-help:list-archive :sender:list-subscribe:list-unsubscribe:content-type; bh=G+0tEDWOjLVomQO+x5gGR1hZoqFQaDnsWRk8V2dcKjk=; b=mAUVGGiGJCSwDk6KW9F4bBEMy5DIzE4Ha6clyFBZ7isH08suhveB8YXqXstmePXQPE P/UD/7rt4hTLhw74I9gsIpZbPP36YAwbZ6MhstOsrxwE3eUdBALPX/byGVJd1+Ajd5HF 9nYnw2B+pLaCW/YL+v6bYh1vVyqgz7hmhp+FrzAPY/HWTQZbYVaup4NRWWAksbEameHf BgddSCy6jrcv7uN5GMAlcVJROnhknp7zM9FlondcWNci+kIcKtYof0kD2vcgHh74BN1K f2gc6MR66tqANVVfVQpVnRxRZq1IloHlTkC3CdXlDuvE2KpNvbyudsya16CSgrRs2Kqj av0w== X-Received: by 10.182.96.135 with SMTP id ds7mr349861obb.1.1388001015991; Wed, 25 Dec 2013 11:50:15 -0800 (PST) X-BeenThere: lojban@googlegroups.com Received: by 10.182.73.165 with SMTP id m5ls951792obv.52.gmail; Wed, 25 Dec 2013 11:50:15 -0800 (PST) X-Received: by 10.182.246.39 with SMTP id xt7mr16008558obc.40.1388001015507; Wed, 25 Dec 2013 11:50:15 -0800 (PST) Received: from mail-qa0-x230.google.com (mail-qa0-x230.google.com [2607:f8b0:400d:c00::230]) by gmr-mx.google.com with ESMTPS id x7si5453653qcn.1.2013.12.25.11.50.15 for (version=TLSv1 cipher=ECDHE-RSA-RC4-SHA bits=128/128); Wed, 25 Dec 2013 11:50:15 -0800 (PST) Received-SPF: pass (google.com: domain of mturniansky@gmail.com designates 2607:f8b0:400d:c00::230 as permitted sender) client-ip=2607:f8b0:400d:c00::230; Received: by mail-qa0-f48.google.com with SMTP id w5so7129997qac.14 for ; Wed, 25 Dec 2013 11:50:15 -0800 (PST) MIME-Version: 1.0 X-Received: by 10.224.55.197 with SMTP id v5mr65572519qag.9.1388001015395; Wed, 25 Dec 2013 11:50:15 -0800 (PST) Received: by 10.96.161.99 with HTTP; Wed, 25 Dec 2013 11:50:15 -0800 (PST) In-Reply-To: <780d8e2c-c40d-4e21-82e0-254e09aa3c46@googlegroups.com> References: <20131209103402.1fc671bd@aol.com> <6502fef8-4a16-4481-9465-aae6b34be33d@googlegroups.com> <780d8e2c-c40d-4e21-82e0-254e09aa3c46@googlegroups.com> Date: Wed, 25 Dec 2013 14:50:15 -0500 Message-ID: Subject: Re: [lojban] Re: No more CAPTCHAs in the Wiki for verified users, please! From: Michael Turniansky To: lojban@googlegroups.com X-Original-Sender: mturniansky@gmail.com X-Original-Authentication-Results: gmr-mx.google.com; spf=pass (google.com: domain of mturniansky@gmail.com designates 2607:f8b0:400d:c00::230 as permitted sender) smtp.mail=mturniansky@gmail.com; dkim=pass header.i=@gmail.com; dmarc=pass (p=NONE dis=NONE) header.from=gmail.com Reply-To: lojban@googlegroups.com Precedence: list Mailing-list: list lojban@googlegroups.com; contact lojban+owners@googlegroups.com List-ID: X-Google-Group-Id: 1004133512417 List-Post: , List-Help: , List-Archive: Sender: lojban@googlegroups.com List-Subscribe: , List-Unsubscribe: , Content-Type: multipart/alternative; boundary=001a11c2ef8e787a7804ee612bf3 X-Spam-Score: 0.0 (/) X-Spam_score: 0.0 X-Spam_score_int: 0 X-Spam_bar: / --001a11c2ef8e787a7804ee612bf3 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1 Spamming is the mother of invention? Interesting thought. --gejyspa On Thu, Dec 12, 2013 at 11:37 AM, la xirsoi wrote: > I was mostly making a joke about the Strong AI, implying that spam-bot > developers will have to make their bots more intelligent to understand more > complex Q/A prompts, eventually leading to natural language processing and > Strong AI. > > On Thursday, December 12, 2013 1:01:18 AM UTC-6, la arxokuna wrote: > >> >> On Thu, Dec 12, 2013 at 2:08 AM, la xirsoi wrote: >> >>> CAPTCHA is dead, your only resort is admin activation or QA. >>> Unfortunately the former is a headache and the later is an ever >>> escalating Cold War that will inevitably end in Strong AI ruling the >>> internet. >>> >> >> >> Admin activation, yes. For now only bureaucrats can confirm newly created >> accounts. I hope there will be enough of them to do so. Unfortunately, >> almost nobody is contributing to this wiki atm. As for strong AI in this >> case it sometimes cannot be separated from human mind. What if a person >> whom I don't know from IRC or mailing list says {coi lo jatna i au mi >> favgau lo dei uitki}. Should I allow them in? Should I allow them if they >> write such messages in English? >> > -- > You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups > "lojban" group. > To unsubscribe from this group and stop receiving emails from it, send an > email to lojban+unsubscribe@googlegroups.com. > To post to this group, send email to lojban@googlegroups.com. > Visit this group at http://groups.google.com/group/lojban. > For more options, visit https://groups.google.com/groups/opt_out. > -- You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups "lojban" group. To unsubscribe from this group and stop receiving emails from it, send an email to lojban+unsubscribe@googlegroups.com. To post to this group, send email to lojban@googlegroups.com. Visit this group at http://groups.google.com/group/lojban. 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Spamming is the mother of invention? =A0Interesting though= t.
=A0 =A0 =A0--gejyspa



On Thu, Dec 12, 2013 at 11:37 AM, = la xirsoi <chevalieradam2@gmail.com> wrote:
I was mostly making a joke = about the Strong AI, implying that spam-bot developers will have to make th= eir bots more intelligent to understand more complex Q/A prompts, eventuall= y leading to natural language processing and Strong AI.

On Thursday, December 12, 2013 1:01:18 AM UTC-6, la arxokuna wrote:

On Thu, Dec 12, 2013 at 2:08 AM, la xirsoi <= span dir=3D"ltr"><chevali...@gmail.com> wrote:
CAPTCHA is dead, your only resort is ad= min activation or QA.
Unfortunately the former is a headache = and the later is an ever escalating Cold War that will inevitably end in St= rong AI ruling the internet.


Admin activation, yes. For now only b= ureaucrats can confirm newly created accounts. I hope there will be enough = of them to do so. Unfortunately, almost nobody is contributing to this wiki= atm. As for strong AI in this case it sometimes cannot be separated from h= uman mind. What if a person whom I don't know from IRC or mailing list = says {coi lo jatna i au mi favgau lo dei uitki}. Should I allow them in? Sh= ould I allow them if they write such messages in English?

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