Received: from mail-pa0-f64.google.com ([209.85.220.64]:44189) by stodi.digitalkingdom.org with esmtps (TLSv1:RC4-SHA:128) (Exim 4.80.1) (envelope-from ) id 1VvvLX-0004TI-2K for lojban-list-archive@lojban.org; Wed, 25 Dec 2013 12:46:34 -0800 Received: by mail-pa0-f64.google.com with SMTP id kq14sf1609652pab.9 for ; Wed, 25 Dec 2013 12:46:20 -0800 (PST) DKIM-Signature: v=1; a=rsa-sha256; c=relaxed/relaxed; d=googlegroups.com; s=20120806; h=x_cmae_category:from:to:subject:date:message-id:user-agent :in-reply-to:references:mime-version:x-original-sender :x-original-authentication-results:reply-to:precedence:mailing-list :list-id:list-post:list-help:list-archive:sender:list-subscribe :list-unsubscribe:content-type; bh=Gya9QB1uNBMI5CrkpVa+0o2qFQjZUBeme9KLACbe8kE=; b=E8Pkh/kyLVCEumowe7ncjObemnl66HJmMhpmLVTiVRfQ3Hj7iF3hpoup+IP9rzJ0ez nqLuVIVXCkl+NoskQERjgQwg3cyz25VHur+Xp5FrEFQ43EqDAp6BwItsoHPhdfTe2scv A41YYQvyiQocTqnRc/PBtL3ZvXWCp4MrYlr4JhLLe48KqG19S77s2+zE6KoSOj0344jC cnFWEKB7aUss8ZqPWCHKWCIyNX0DRJi05ybnYWNFk8m4abM3fVprfUDhYQsVeyX9ooSu CA8T7epwA5V6pg3CSBcVeMoY3oqDuuSmGdM61h614wEC4B9enakm3sn6eG/FTWk50bsT 2qCA== X-Received: by 10.49.59.17 with SMTP id v17mr510391qeq.3.1388004380447; Wed, 25 Dec 2013 12:46:20 -0800 (PST) X-BeenThere: lojban@googlegroups.com Received: by 10.49.38.36 with SMTP id d4ls2289751qek.7.gmail; Wed, 25 Dec 2013 12:46:19 -0800 (PST) X-Received: by 10.58.109.226 with SMTP id hv2mr14563570veb.33.1388004379941; Wed, 25 Dec 2013 12:46:19 -0800 (PST) Received: from smtp.hughes.net (smtp-fo.hughes.cmh.synacor.com. [69.168.97.50]) by gmr-mx.google.com with ESMTP id iq5si3371323igb.1.2013.12.25.12.46.19 for ; Wed, 25 Dec 2013 12:46:19 -0800 (PST) Received-SPF: neutral (google.com: 69.168.97.50 is neither permitted nor denied by best guess record for domain of phma@bezitopo.org) client-ip=69.168.97.50; X_CMAE_Category: 0,0 Undefined,Undefined X-CNFS-Analysis: v=2.1 cv=Btukn+n5 c=1 sm=0 tr=0 a=Z2Pgg/vgYxdHLJ9+hxtZow==:117 a=Z2Pgg/vgYxdHLJ9+hxtZow==:17 a=K-v-2zaBAAAA:8 a=_WQhAotw1e0A:10 a=Yr05hP5UdKEA:10 a=kj9zAlcOel0A:10 a=xqWC_Br6kY4A:10 a=JNFw9bs7AAAA:8 a=4RBUngkUAAAA:8 a=ivdc3WQIpw4A:10 a=pGLkceISAAAA:8 a=ZyFyfgGMA0kYeOAsxkkA:9 a=CjuIK1q_8ugA:10 a=MSl-tDqOz04A:10 X-CM-Score: 0 X-Scanned-by: Cloudmark Authority Engine Received-SPF: neutral (smtp02.hughes.cmh.synacor.com: 67.44.192.11 is neither permitted nor denied by domain of bezitopo.org) Received: from [67.44.192.11] ([67.44.192.11:48438] helo=leopard.ixazon.lan) by smtp.hughes.net (envelope-from ) (ecelerity 2.2.3.49 r(42060/42061)) with ESMTPSA (cipher=AES256-SHA) id 3D/A0-21114-A144BB25; Wed, 25 Dec 2013 15:46:19 -0500 Received: from caracal.localnet (localhost [IPv6:::1]) by leopard.ixazon.lan (Postfix) with ESMTP id 119B11444 for ; Wed, 25 Dec 2013 15:46:08 -0500 (EST) From: Pierre Abbat To: lojban@googlegroups.com Subject: Re: [lojban] trapdoor Date: Wed, 25 Dec 2013 15:46:06 -0500 Message-ID: <53390051.0UcaJT09yg@caracal> User-Agent: KMail/4.8.5 (Linux/3.2.0-57-generic; KDE/4.8.5; x86_64; ; ) In-Reply-To: References: <1549121.R2mRn75s9T@caracal> MIME-Version: 1.0 X-Original-Sender: phma@bezitopo.org X-Original-Authentication-Results: gmr-mx.google.com; spf=neutral (google.com: 69.168.97.50 is neither permitted nor denied by best guess record for domain of phma@bezitopo.org) smtp.mail=phma@bezitopo.org Reply-To: lojban@googlegroups.com Precedence: list Mailing-list: list lojban@googlegroups.com; contact lojban+owners@googlegroups.com List-ID: X-Google-Group-Id: 1004133512417 List-Post: , List-Help: , List-Archive: Sender: lojban@googlegroups.com List-Subscribe: , List-Unsubscribe: , Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1 X-Spam-Score: 0.0 (/) X-Spam_score: 0.0 X-Spam_score_int: 0 X-Spam_bar: / On Wednesday, December 25, 2013 12:39:04 Ian Johnson wrote: > On Tue, Dec 24, 2013 at 8:08 PM, .arpis. > > wrote: > > {nadyxru facnu}? "hard-to-invert function" > > It's not a {fancu}. Pierre means the functionality of a one-way door, such > as a trapdoor. A trapdoor one-way function is indeed a fancu. The classic example is raising a variable number (noi cmima lo se fancu) to a fixed power modulo a product of large primes, i.e. RSA. If you know the primes, it's easy to calculate the inverse function. If you don't, it's computationally infeasible. Pierre -- ve ka'a ro klaji la .romas. se jmaji -- You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups "lojban" group. To unsubscribe from this group and stop receiving emails from it, send an email to lojban+unsubscribe@googlegroups.com. To post to this group, send email to lojban@googlegroups.com. Visit this group at http://groups.google.com/group/lojban. For more options, visit https://groups.google.com/groups/opt_out.