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How can "come" and "go" be distinguished by aspects? Don't the aspects
apply to each one equally? "Come" is 'toward the speaker', "go" is more
general, but if contrasted with "come", it means 'away from the speaker'.
The distinction in Lojban is moot, since the destination (x2) and origin
(x3) allow sidestepping the whole "come/go" dichotomy.

stevo


On Sat, Dec 28, 2013 at 2:24 AM, la arxokuna <gleki.is.my.name@gmail.com>wrote:

>
>
> On Friday, December 20, 2013 6:31:55 PM UTC+4, Pierre Abbat wrote:
>>
>> (And for that matter, how do you even
>> > mark deixis (go/come distinction) in Lojban, anyway?)
>>
>> With the deixis words ti, ta, or tu in x2 or x3. The go/come distinction
>> is
>> not universal; Hebrew instead contrasts enter/exit (ba'/tse').
>>
>
> "Come"/"go" can probably be separated with aspects.
> "come" is rather *mo'u klama* or *co'i klama*.
> "go" is *ca'o klama*
> although of course we can have "coming" as *ca'o co'i klama*
> However, one needs to understand the meaning behind what's being said.
> "Don't translate words but meaning!" as said in one tutorial in the wiki.
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<div dir=3D"ltr"><div class=3D"gmail_default" style=3D"font-family:courier =
new,monospace">How can &quot;come&quot; and &quot;go&quot; be distinguished=
 by aspects? Don&#39;t the aspects apply to each one equally? &quot;Come&qu=
ot; is &#39;toward the speaker&#39;, &quot;go&quot; is more general, but if=
 contrasted with &quot;come&quot;, it means &#39;away from the speaker&#39;=
.=A0</div>

<div class=3D"gmail_default" style=3D"font-family:courier new,monospace">Th=
e distinction in Lojban is moot, since the destination (x2) and origin (x3)=
 allow sidestepping the whole &quot;come/go&quot; dichotomy.=A0</div><div c=
lass=3D"gmail_default" style=3D"font-family:courier new,monospace">

<br></div><div class=3D"gmail_default" style=3D"font-family:courier new,mon=
ospace">stevo</div></div><div class=3D"gmail_extra"><br><br><div class=3D"g=
mail_quote">On Sat, Dec 28, 2013 at 2:24 AM, la arxokuna <span dir=3D"ltr">=
&lt;<a href=3D"mailto:gleki.is.my.name@gmail.com" target=3D"_blank">gleki.i=
s.my.name@gmail.com</a>&gt;</span> wrote:<br>

<blockquote class=3D"gmail_quote" style=3D"margin:0 0 0 .8ex;border-left:1p=
x #ccc solid;padding-left:1ex"><div dir=3D"ltr"><div class=3D"im"><br><br>O=
n Friday, December 20, 2013 6:31:55 PM UTC+4, Pierre Abbat wrote:<blockquot=
e class=3D"gmail_quote" style=3D"margin:0;margin-left:0.8ex;border-left:1px=
 #ccc solid;padding-left:1ex">

(And for that matter, how do you even
<br>&gt; mark deixis (go/come distinction) in Lojban, anyway?)
<br>
<br>With the deixis words ti, ta, or tu in x2 or x3. The go/come distinctio=
n is=20
<br>not universal; Hebrew instead contrasts enter/exit (ba&#39;/tse&#39;).
<br></blockquote><div><br></div></div><div>&quot;Come&quot;/&quot;go&quot; =
can probably be separated with aspects.</div><div>&quot;come&quot; is rathe=
r <b>mo&#39;u klama</b>=A0or <b>co&#39;i klama</b>.</div><div>&quot;go&quot=
; is <b>ca&#39;o klama</b></div>

<div>although of course we can have &quot;coming&quot; as <b>ca&#39;o co=
9;i klama</b></div><div>However, one needs to understand the meaning behind=
 what&#39;s being said.</div><div>&quot;Don&#39;t translate words but meani=
ng!&quot; as said in one tutorial in the wiki.</div>

</div><div class=3D"HOEnZb"><div class=3D"h5">

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