Received: from mail-yh0-f59.google.com ([209.85.213.59]:58722) by stodi.digitalkingdom.org with esmtps (TLSv1:RC4-SHA:128) (Exim 4.80.1) (envelope-from ) id 1VwuZ4-0008NA-3f for lojban-list-archive@lojban.org; Sat, 28 Dec 2013 06:08:35 -0800 Received: by mail-yh0-f59.google.com with SMTP id l109sf2278622yhq.24 for ; Sat, 28 Dec 2013 06:08:23 -0800 (PST) DKIM-Signature: v=1; a=rsa-sha256; c=relaxed/relaxed; d=googlegroups.com; s=20120806; h=date:from:to:message-id:in-reply-to:references:subject:mime-version :x-original-sender:reply-to:precedence:mailing-list:list-id :list-post:list-help:list-archive:sender:list-subscribe :list-unsubscribe:content-type; bh=cq1puQaCY0uQSIrIj3gGSrTCBPImZxE5N0JHaNI2mgo=; b=VkgojA9MEWxzzThHfHTVoOY6vIlASwhKjOleb0EE8SIPf6xEgkp7+RP3n/GJyJTflh z4gwtxYo52D1q8QoOwi8tnxuPKiyJN1KFDZdBDwLXCEUSiaSp2mzEmtCExbBTgpISrQ+ fAqQ3sdcPLLLQPawAzEoBEHGFiL8agOeh/3+p5lLt1H6SFSuxVckBvI+0a///gUcf4CL pchKqY/vvP30c8RRHBfWOw2Vm5Ccuq2e2djW1k2ODD3rRMBjCwK1LrGzvXbNPtJSAEyu hQRAzOeaE7hZ1YVpOWTdrdilESPEerSHE/Nx/QOPaN/8svZIgUnokcYi/hp8SxkzuMOm MvkQ== DKIM-Signature: v=1; a=rsa-sha256; c=relaxed/relaxed; d=gmail.com; s=20120113; h=date:from:to:message-id:in-reply-to:references:subject:mime-version :x-original-sender:reply-to:precedence:mailing-list:list-id :list-post:list-help:list-archive:sender:list-subscribe :list-unsubscribe:content-type; bh=cq1puQaCY0uQSIrIj3gGSrTCBPImZxE5N0JHaNI2mgo=; b=s8yKXWX+1HMhehDfhJ6Ryot5ECNu6d9UFLtYgbiFs3qyTf4e1JJGhXYt6wATbUSpOz 36PaScJTOP7DnbfR4rsa8yUvu4UGfxAsI4CCXFGh2wH7i7ZcStWbbdMx/bSptG+e2YdH tenIWulwsEp2Fv2nFJjCpNEAK3lxh90tqHMdgD8VQSPfITR2wawLp3frAi+63il+cINR PRvl7E7kc4NZtJvkdj9gU2bXjne/ku34Sp8MuMOJFH6lrJBeX5aJJdvy64V7mzvvFy0E TIvDZU8HIOy/ZJ16LxInmZ7RfVEYo+EGMElUzCs72uNOZNyjyHHyI8n+L7frXOPDP7vY 4jmQ== X-Received: by 10.182.186.104 with SMTP id fj8mr11957obc.15.1388239703709; Sat, 28 Dec 2013 06:08:23 -0800 (PST) X-BeenThere: lojban@googlegroups.com Received: by 10.182.39.67 with SMTP id n3ls1161868obk.43.gmail; Sat, 28 Dec 2013 06:08:23 -0800 (PST) X-Received: by 10.182.183.74 with SMTP id ek10mr10863obc.21.1388239703337; Sat, 28 Dec 2013 06:08:23 -0800 (PST) Date: Sat, 28 Dec 2013 06:08:22 -0800 (PST) From: lorxus To: lojban@googlegroups.com Message-Id: <330a2af5-bd31-4291-810f-58c6d8221a17@googlegroups.com> In-Reply-To: References: <3f955e44-a4ca-4c9c-ba07-ed82f6dcd1d8@googlegroups.com> <1631893.tefe0xbQy3@caracal> Subject: Re: [lojban] Re: Problems with gismu MIME-Version: 1.0 X-Original-Sender: coronacoreanici@gmail.com Reply-To: lojban@googlegroups.com Precedence: list Mailing-list: list lojban@googlegroups.com; contact lojban+owners@googlegroups.com List-ID: X-Google-Group-Id: 1004133512417 List-Post: , List-Help: , List-Archive: Sender: lojban@googlegroups.com List-Subscribe: , List-Unsubscribe: , Content-Type: multipart/alternative; boundary="----=_Part_695_25176563.1388239702993" X-Spam-Score: -0.1 (/) X-Spam_score: -0.1 X-Spam_score_int: 0 X-Spam_bar: / ------=_Part_695_25176563.1388239702993 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1 If that were so, there should be absolutely no difference between "come towards me" and "go towards me". On Saturday, December 28, 2013 5:06:50 AM UTC-5, stevo wrote: > > How can "come" and "go" be distinguished by aspects? Don't the aspects > apply to each one equally? "Come" is 'toward the speaker', "go" is more > general, but if contrasted with "come", it means 'away from the speaker'. > The distinction in Lojban is moot, since the destination (x2) and origin > (x3) allow sidestepping the whole "come/go" dichotomy. > > stevo > > > On Sat, Dec 28, 2013 at 2:24 AM, la arxokuna > > wrote: > >> >> >> On Friday, December 20, 2013 6:31:55 PM UTC+4, Pierre Abbat wrote: >>> >>> (And for that matter, how do you even >>> > mark deixis (go/come distinction) in Lojban, anyway?) >>> >>> With the deixis words ti, ta, or tu in x2 or x3. The go/come distinction >>> is >>> not universal; Hebrew instead contrasts enter/exit (ba'/tse'). >>> >> >> "Come"/"go" can probably be separated with aspects. >> "come" is rather *mo'u klama* or *co'i klama*. >> "go" is *ca'o klama* >> although of course we can have "coming" as *ca'o co'i klama* >> However, one needs to understand the meaning behind what's being said. >> "Don't translate words but meaning!" as said in one tutorial in the wiki. >> >> -- >> You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups >> "lojban" group. >> To unsubscribe from this group and stop receiving emails from it, send an >> email to lojban+un...@googlegroups.com . >> To post to this group, send email to loj...@googlegroups.com >> . >> Visit this group at http://groups.google.com/group/lojban. >> For more options, visit https://groups.google.com/groups/opt_out. >> > > -- You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups "lojban" group. 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If that were so, there should be absolutely no difference = between "come towards me" and "go towards me".

On Saturday, December= 28, 2013 5:06:50 AM UTC-5, stevo wrote:
How can "come" and "go" be distinguished by aspects? Don't the aspects app= ly to each one equally? "Come" is 'toward the speaker', "go" is more genera= l, but if contrasted with "come", it means 'away from the speaker'. 
The distinction in Lojban = is moot, since the destination (x2) and origin (x3) allow sidestepping the = whole "come/go" dichotomy. 

stevo


On Sat, Dec 28, 2013 at 2:24 AM, l= a arxokuna <gleki= .is...@gmail.com> wrote:


On Friday, Dec= ember 20, 2013 6:31:55 PM UTC+4, Pierre Abbat wrote:
(And for that matter, how do you even
> mark deixis (go/come distinction) in Lojban, anyway?)

With the deixis words ti, ta, or tu in x2 or x3. The go/come distinctio= n is=20
not universal; Hebrew instead contrasts enter/exit (ba'/tse').

"Come"/"go" can probably be sepa= rated with aspects.
"come" is rather mo'u klama or co'i klama.
"go" is ca'o klama
although of course we can have "coming" as ca'o co'i klama
However, one needs to understand the meaning behind what's being said= .
"Don't translate words but meaning!" as said in one tutorial in= the wiki.

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