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[85.13.138.119]) by gmr-mx.google.com with ESMTPS id s42si234025eew.1.2013.12.28.09.35.39 for (version=TLSv1 cipher=RC4-SHA bits=128/128); Sat, 28 Dec 2013 09:35:39 -0800 (PST) Received-SPF: neutral (google.com: 85.13.138.119 is neither permitted nor denied by best guess record for domain of me@v4hn.de) client-ip=85.13.138.119; Received: from samsa (brln-4db87c9c.pool.mediaWays.net [77.184.124.156]) by dd17822.kasserver.com (Postfix) with ESMTPA id 5275A8602DE for ; Sat, 28 Dec 2013 18:35:38 +0100 (CET) Date: Sat, 28 Dec 2013 18:35:37 +0100 From: v4hn To: lojban@googlegroups.com Subject: Re: [lojban] Re: The CLL project, technical directions Message-ID: <20131228173537.GN22926@samsa.fritz.box> References: <20131227041501.GA21848@stodi.digitalkingdom.org> <4682a0d7-9b6b-453f-bc1c-6f9a4f450637@googlegroups.com> <20131228080656.GD15882@stodi.digitalkingdom.org> MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: multipart/signed; micalg=pgp-sha1; protocol="application/pgp-signature"; boundary="/TUrtqMIkCP4YtJm" Content-Disposition: inline In-Reply-To: <20131228080656.GD15882@stodi.digitalkingdom.org> User-Agent: Mutt/1.5.21 (2010-09-15) X-Original-Sender: me@v4hn.de X-Original-Authentication-Results: gmr-mx.google.com; spf=neutral (google.com: 85.13.138.119 is neither permitted nor denied by best guess record for domain of me@v4hn.de) smtp.mail=me@v4hn.de Reply-To: lojban@googlegroups.com Precedence: list Mailing-list: list lojban@googlegroups.com; contact lojban+owners@googlegroups.com List-ID: X-Google-Group-Id: 1004133512417 List-Post: , List-Help: , List-Archive: Sender: lojban@googlegroups.com List-Subscribe: , List-Unsubscribe: , X-Spam-Score: 0.0 (/) X-Spam_score: 0.0 X-Spam_score_int: 0 X-Spam_bar: / --/TUrtqMIkCP4YtJm Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Disposition: inline Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable coi do On Sat, Dec 28, 2013 at 12:06:56AM -0800, Robin Lee Powell wrote: > > It's really obnoxiously difficult to set up the CLL build > > environment. >=20 > OMG it really really is. This should simplify with more current linux distributions.. Last time I tested it, `git clone ...; make` was about everything I had to do. However, I run a cutting edge distribution. > > I wound up having to update my X11 server to make it work, which > > is one of those red flags for me normally. It also struck me as > > kind of ridiculous as a requirement. >=20 > That should only be required for Calibre's ebook-convert, [...] Nevertheless completely ridiculous, but that's calibre for you... > > given that LaTeX is a necessary evil, > > maybe it'd be a better source language? >=20 > It's actually trying to do exactly that that led to this current > discussion. It turns out that trying to go from LaTeX to HTML is > just as horrendous as trying to go from docbook to PDF. The main problem you're trying to solve the whole time is generating HTML and PDF from one source. Granted, that's non-trivial, though possible. Given that major web-browsers nowadays open pdf just like any html file through additional plugins and hyperlinks can be used in pdfs as well, what exactly are the reasons for generating HTML in the first place? > XSLT, which everyone who has even considered helping me has > absolutely refused to touch, [...] /me nods silently mi'e la .van. mu'o --/TUrtqMIkCP4YtJm Content-Type: application/pgp-signature -----BEGIN PGP SIGNATURE----- Version: GnuPG v1.4.12 (GNU/Linux) iEYEARECAAYFAlK/C+kACgkQMBKLZs4+wjzg5gCePGvc2hO7d/93m3IIccp6BNFh s+IAn3bfFxyR55m5ToD9K0y8WsZsyfno =XUXC -----END PGP SIGNATURE----- --/TUrtqMIkCP4YtJm--