Received: from mail-qa0-f55.google.com ([209.85.216.55]:63217) by stodi.digitalkingdom.org with esmtps (TLSv1:RC4-SHA:128) (Exim 4.80.1) (envelope-from ) id 1Vx3oq-0003Jl-0X for lojban-list-archive@lojban.org; Sat, 28 Dec 2013 16:01:31 -0800 Received: by mail-qa0-f55.google.com with SMTP id i13sf2468679qae.20 for ; Sat, 28 Dec 2013 16:01:17 -0800 (PST) DKIM-Signature: v=1; a=rsa-sha256; c=relaxed/relaxed; d=googlegroups.com; s=20120806; h=date:from:to:subject:message-id:mail-followup-to:references :mime-version:in-reply-to:user-agent:x-original-sender :x-original-authentication-results:reply-to:precedence:mailing-list :list-id:list-post:list-help:list-archive:sender:list-subscribe :list-unsubscribe:content-type:content-disposition; bh=wbJ4lfaYx0Q/YsyfC+97AzgSDEoAKl4C32Jyh+qwIaM=; b=wI4FiKoApidrEpzssQOzE3J1jbTRWJ9VUrPWt2O8knS4RU6K8DxU/9xgNTWb6HdlyQ BBI/kTjKTYvt0682rDSDQvPF66ZruWxw+grrRT26wFO3hziWpcKjRhFnYOHAO1AVC5kk uW3XyLY7c/rZ55UcJdfzG8I+TNVO0WRC+HmvDcewJ0NyAb5IGJZEbB/OYMfMwrbvINeT qgoyJ9XJIcLybSx6Y2ojPLNqk2k/1HBMqTjPp0f1nXfVHVYppvHfVemNbCehhsgXZTZ3 KeXQMygO/nrcOC7Qsi+g+yuuirpbKZD1AGPz0/tcLX9u9rmA5EJITuVK8JJueV/l+Bs6 3jaA== X-Received: by 10.49.29.8 with SMTP id f8mr3587qeh.10.1388275277827; Sat, 28 Dec 2013 16:01:17 -0800 (PST) X-BeenThere: lojban@googlegroups.com Received: by 10.49.40.194 with SMTP id z2ls3276098qek.23.gmail; Sat, 28 Dec 2013 16:01:17 -0800 (PST) X-Received: by 10.224.38.206 with SMTP id c14mr22760462qae.4.1388275277308; Sat, 28 Dec 2013 16:01:17 -0800 (PST) Received: from stodi.digitalkingdom.org (mail.digitalkingdom.org. [173.13.139.236]) by gmr-mx.google.com with ESMTPS id xi1si2011536pab.1.2013.12.28.16.01.16 for (version=TLSv1.2 cipher=AES128-GCM-SHA256 bits=128/128); Sat, 28 Dec 2013 16:01:17 -0800 (PST) Received-SPF: pass (google.com: best guess record for domain of rlpowell@digitalkingdom.org designates 173.13.139.236 as permitted sender) client-ip=173.13.139.236; Received: from rlpowell by stodi.digitalkingdom.org with local (Exim 4.80.1) (envelope-from ) id 1Vx3oi-0003Je-4x for lojban@googlegroups.com; Sat, 28 Dec 2013 16:01:16 -0800 Date: Sat, 28 Dec 2013 16:01:16 -0800 From: Robin Lee Powell To: lojban@googlegroups.com Subject: Re: [lojban] Re: The CLL project, technical directions Message-ID: <20131229000115.GG15882@stodi.digitalkingdom.org> Mail-Followup-To: lojban@googlegroups.com References: <20131227041501.GA21848@stodi.digitalkingdom.org> <4682a0d7-9b6b-453f-bc1c-6f9a4f450637@googlegroups.com> <20131228080656.GD15882@stodi.digitalkingdom.org> <20131228173537.GN22926@samsa.fritz.box> MIME-Version: 1.0 In-Reply-To: <20131228173537.GN22926@samsa.fritz.box> User-Agent: Mutt/1.5.21 (2010-09-15) X-Original-Sender: rlpowell@digitalkingdom.org X-Original-Authentication-Results: gmr-mx.google.com; spf=pass (google.com: best guess record for domain of rlpowell@digitalkingdom.org designates 173.13.139.236 as permitted sender) smtp.mail=rlpowell@digitalkingdom.org Reply-To: lojban@googlegroups.com Precedence: list Mailing-list: list lojban@googlegroups.com; contact lojban+owners@googlegroups.com List-ID: X-Google-Group-Id: 1004133512417 List-Post: , List-Help: , List-Archive: Sender: lojban@googlegroups.com List-Subscribe: , List-Unsubscribe: , Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1 Content-Disposition: inline X-Spam-Score: 0.0 (/) X-Spam_score: 0.0 X-Spam_score_int: 0 X-Spam_bar: / On Sat, Dec 28, 2013 at 06:35:37PM +0100, v4hn wrote: > > > given that LaTeX is a necessary evil, maybe it'd be a better > > > source language? > > > > It's actually trying to do exactly that that led to this current > > discussion. It turns out that trying to go from LaTeX to HTML > > is just as horrendous as trying to go from docbook to PDF. > > The main problem you're trying to solve the whole time is > generating HTML and PDF from one source. Granted, that's > non-trivial, though possible. Quite. The question is, how would I need to be doing it to get your help? > Given that major web-browsers nowadays open pdf just like any html > file through additional plugins and hyperlinks can be used in pdfs > as well, what exactly are the reasons for generating HTML in the > first place? PDF viewers are, almost without exception, steaming piles of crap? Mostly it's just that a book-format PDF has completely different user needs from a web page. It's broken up by physical pages, which is unnatural for the web, it doesn't wrap to fit the browser, etc. It's certainly a possible fallback, but it's pretty weak IMO. -Robin -- You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups "lojban" group. To unsubscribe from this group and stop receiving emails from it, send an email to lojban+unsubscribe@googlegroups.com. To post to this group, send email to lojban@googlegroups.com. Visit this group at http://groups.google.com/group/lojban. For more options, visit https://groups.google.com/groups/opt_out.