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http://www.lojban.org/tiki/BPFK+Section:+Causation+= sumtcita

It is proposed that {to'e ri'a} mean "prev= ented by", while {to'e ri'a nai} mean "despite".

I am confused. If the referent of the tagged sumti prevents the event d= escribed by the bridi, which event is there for the main brid to refer to?<= br>
The page doesn't give examples. What would them be, if any?

To me, "preventing" is just "causing a negation".
mu'o
mi'e .asiz.

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