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coi selpa'i

These are questions about details in your translation that somehow puzzled
me. Maybe they are of some use to you. Some are issues of pragmatics, some
are probably my not understanding your language usage.

I should mention that I haven't read the original, though I am naturally
familiar with the general plot. Also, I am reading a version I downloaded
last year, soon after you announced the work.


Chapter 1

1. {lo zd=E0ni cu k=E0ndi gi'e gr=F9si kei du'i tu'a ro dr=E0ta};

Why the {tu'a}? To me, it is quite normal for dunli1 and dunli2 to be
simple objects.


2. {lo re da ca lo nu fa'a c=E0tlu cu v=ECska lo cm=E0lu b=F2xna};

Is {lo re da} any different from {lo re mei}?


3. {la .t=F2tos. cu pl=ECpe fi lo b=ECrka be dy gi'e sezym=ECpri ni'a lo ck=
=E0na};

Two things make me uneasy about the choice of {sezymipri}. Firstly, because
I think mipri2 would be {lo du'u vo'a zvati ma kau}. Secondly, because I
don't think there is any mipri3 to hide from in this particular case.

What about {sezyselmragau}?


4. {b=E0jra ru'u bu'u lo k=F9mfa fau lo nu zv=E0ti nu'i ge ca pa da ti nu'u=
 gi ca
pa de ta fau lo nu cl=E0du cm=F2ni};

4.1 Why you use {pa} instead of the elidable {su'o}? It seems to me that
the relevant thing is just that Toto is moving around. Also, as I imagine
the situation, it seems likely that Toto would be "here", or "there", more
than once.

4.2 Toto only barks when he is "there", right? Otherwise you could put a
{nu'u} between {ta} and the second {fau}.


5. {dy c=ECnmo lo ka s=E8pcni m=F9tce};

This is actually a more general question, since this construction recurs.
To me, a sentence like the above one wouldn't be any different from {dy
sepcni mutce}. I am guessing you have a more refined interpretation of
{cinmo}. Can you quickly explain it, or give some pointer?


mu'o nai
mi'e .asiz.

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<div dir=3D"ltr"><div><div>coi selpa&#39;i<br><br>These are questions about=
 details in your translation that somehow puzzled me. Maybe they are of som=
e use to you. Some are issues of pragmatics, some are probably my not under=
standing your language usage.<br>

<br>I should mention that I haven&#39;t read the original, though I am natu=
rally familiar with the general plot. Also, I am reading a version I downlo=
aded last year, soon after you announced the work.<br><br><br><br>Chapter 1=
<br>


<br>1. {lo zd=E0ni cu k=E0ndi gi&#39;e gr=F9si kei du&#39;i tu&#39;a ro dr=
=E0ta};<br><br>Why the {tu&#39;a}? To me, it is quite normal for dunli1 and=
 dunli2 to be simple objects.<br><br><br>2. {lo re da ca lo nu fa&#39;a c=
=E0tlu cu v=ECska lo cm=E0lu b=F2xna};<br>

<br>Is {lo re da} any different from {lo re mei}?<br>
<br><br>3. {la .t=F2tos. cu pl=ECpe fi lo b=ECrka be dy gi&#39;e sezym=ECpr=
i ni&#39;a lo ck=E0na};<br><br>Two things make me uneasy about the choice o=
f {sezymipri}. Firstly, because I think mipri2 would be {lo du&#39;u vo&#39=
;a zvati ma kau}. Secondly, because I don&#39;t think there is any mipri3 t=
o hide from in this particular case.<br>


<br>What about {sezyselmragau}?<br><br><br>4. {b=E0jra ru&#39;u bu&#39;u lo=
 k=F9mfa fau lo nu zv=E0ti nu&#39;i ge ca pa da ti nu&#39;u gi ca pa de ta =
fau lo nu cl=E0du cm=F2ni};<br><br>4.1 Why you use {pa} instead of the elid=
able {su&#39;o}? It seems to me that the relevant thing is just that Toto i=
s moving around. Also, as I imagine the situation, it seems likely that Tot=
o would be &quot;here&quot;, or &quot;there&quot;, more than once.<br>


<br>4.2 Toto only barks when he is &quot;there&quot;, right? Otherwise you =
could put a {nu&#39;u} between {ta} and the second {fau}.<br><br><br>5. {dy=
 c=ECnmo lo ka s=E8pcni m=F9tce};<br><br>This is actually a more general qu=
estion, since this construction recurs. To me, a sentence like the above on=
e wouldn&#39;t be any different from {dy sepcni mutce}. I am guessing you h=
ave a more refined interpretation of {cinmo}. Can you quickly explain it, o=
r give some pointer?<br>


<br><br>mu&#39;o nai<br>mi&#39;e .asiz.<br>
</div></div></div>

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