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 Content preview:  Chapter 2 6. {lo nànmu (to la .dòrotis. cu jìnvi toi) cu kàijbi
    lo ka dùnli la nakfàmti .xènris. lo ka tolcì'o .i ki'u bo lo re mei cu se
    xèjykre}; I was quite confused at this part. In the first sentence, I was
    pretty sure that {lo nanmu} referred to the three Munchkins. From the second
    sentence, I guessed it was referring to only one of them, with {lo re mei}
    referring to the Munchkin plus Uncle Henry. Finally, I just looked at the
    picture in the HTML page, and noticed that two Munchkins are bearded, from
    what I am guessing that {lo re mei} refers to them. I am now unsure about
    whether {lo nanmu} refers to two or three Munchkins. If the first sentence
    is about less than three Munchkins, I suggest you externally quantify {lo
    nanmu}. If it is about all of them, but the second just talks about two of
    them, I suggest you use {re lo nanmu} or {re lo go'i}. [...] 
 
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Chapter 2

6. {lo n=E0nmu (to la .d=F2rotis. cu j=ECnvi toi) cu k=E0ijbi lo ka d=F9nli=
 la
nakf=E0mti .x=E8nris. lo ka tolc=EC'o .i ki'u bo lo re mei cu se x=E8jykre}=
;

I was quite confused at this part. In the first sentence, I was pretty sure
that {lo nanmu} referred to the three Munchkins. From the second sentence,
I guessed it was referring to only one of them, with {lo re mei} referring
to the Munchkin plus Uncle Henry. Finally, I just looked at the picture in
the HTML page, and noticed that two Munchkins are bearded, from what I am
guessing that {lo re mei} refers to them. I am now unsure about whether {lo
nanmu} refers to two or three Munchkins.
If the first sentence is about less than three Munchkins, I suggest you
externally quantify {lo nanmu}. If it is about all of them, but the second
just talks about two of them, I suggest you use {re lo nanmu} or {re lo
go'i}.


7. {.i ku'i ca ku la m=E0xpre ku noi pu ca'o pu ca'o ne'a sm=E0ji s=E0nli c=
u
cl=E0du cm=F2ni gi'e degj=E0'o lo k=F2jna be lo zd=E0ni be'o noi la p=E0lci=
 termafyf=E8'i
pu ca'o vr=E8ta};

I may have missed something, but this was the first sentence that forced me
to infer that the three men accompanying the Witch of the North were
Munchkins. The fact that this is only suggested by the incidental relative
clause puzzled me. Does this parallel the original?


8. {m=ECntu bu'u la sn=E0nu}, {m=ECntu bu'u la st=ECci};

The tense tag in this bridi doesn't make much sense to me. How come the
identity holds in South?

I am guessing the original was something like "It is just the same as in
South", which I would literally translate as {mintu lo nu co'e bu'u la
sn=E0nu}. What about
  {mintu tu'a la sn=E0nu}, {mintu tu'a la st=ECci}?


mu'o nai
mi'e .asiz.

On 5 January 2014 13:40, Felipe Gon=E7alves Assis <felipeg.assis@gmail.com>=
wrote:

> coi selpa'i
>
> These are questions about details in your translation that somehow puzzle=
d
> me. Maybe they are of some use to you. Some are issues of pragmatics, som=
e
> are probably my not understanding your language usage.
>
> I should mention that I haven't read the original, though I am naturally
> familiar with the general plot. Also, I am reading a version I downloaded
> last year, soon after you announced the work.
>

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<div dir=3D"ltr">Chapter 2<br><div class=3D"gmail_extra"><br>6. {lo n=E0nmu=
 (to la .d=F2rotis. cu j=ECnvi toi) cu k=E0ijbi lo ka d=F9nli la nakf=E0mti=
 .x=E8nris. lo ka tolc=EC&#39;o .i ki&#39;u bo lo re mei cu se x=E8jykre};<=
br><br>I was quite confused at this part. In the first sentence, I was pret=
ty sure that {lo nanmu} referred to the three Munchkins. From the second se=
ntence, I guessed it was referring to only one of them, with {lo re mei} re=
ferring to the Munchkin plus Uncle Henry. Finally, I just looked at the pic=
ture in the HTML page, and noticed that two Munchkins are bearded, from wha=
t I am guessing that {lo re mei} refers to them. I am now unsure about whet=
her {lo nanmu} refers to two or three Munchkins.<br>


If the first sentence is about less than three Munchkins, I suggest you ext=
ernally quantify {lo nanmu}. If it is about all of them, but the second jus=
t talks about two of them, I suggest you use {re lo nanmu} or {re lo go&#39=
;i}.<br>


<br><br>7. {.i ku&#39;i ca ku la m=E0xpre ku noi pu ca&#39;o pu ca&#39;o ne=
&#39;a sm=E0ji s=E0nli cu cl=E0du cm=F2ni gi&#39;e degj=E0&#39;o lo k=F2jna=
 be lo zd=E0ni be&#39;o noi la p=E0lci termafyf=E8&#39;i pu ca&#39;o vr=E8t=
a};<br><br>I may have missed something, but this was the first sentence tha=
t forced me to infer that the three men accompanying the Witch of the North=
 were Munchkins. The fact that this is only suggested by the incidental rel=
ative clause puzzled me. Does this parallel the original?<br>


<br><br></div><div class=3D"gmail_extra">8. {m=ECntu bu&#39;u la sn=E0nu}, =
{m=ECntu bu&#39;u la st=ECci};<br></div><div class=3D"gmail_extra"><br></di=
v><div class=3D"gmail_extra">The tense tag in this bridi doesn&#39;t make m=
uch sense to me. How come the identity holds in South?<br>

<br>I am guessing the original was something like &quot;It is just the same=
 as in South&quot;, which I would literally translate as {mintu lo nu co=
9;e bu&#39;u la sn=E0nu}. What about<br></div><div class=3D"gmail_extra">=
=A0 {mintu tu&#39;a la sn=E0nu}, {mintu tu&#39;a la st=ECci}?<br>

</div><div class=3D"gmail_extra"><br><br>mu&#39;o nai<br>mi&#39;e .asiz.<br=
><font face=3D"Georgia" size=3D"3"><br></font><div class=3D"gmail_quote">On=
 5 January 2014 13:40, Felipe Gon=E7alves Assis <span dir=3D"ltr">&lt;<a hr=
ef=3D"mailto:felipeg.assis@gmail.com" target=3D"_blank">felipeg.assis@gmail=
.com</a>&gt;</span> wrote:<br>


<blockquote class=3D"gmail_quote" style=3D"margin:0px 0px 0px 0.8ex;border-=
left:1px solid rgb(204,204,204);padding-left:1ex"><div dir=3D"ltr"><div><di=
v>coi selpa&#39;i<br><br>These are questions about details in your translat=
ion that somehow puzzled me. Maybe they are of some use to you. Some are is=
sues of pragmatics, some are probably my not understanding your language us=
age.<br>


<br>I should mention that I haven&#39;t read the original, though I am natu=
rally familiar with the general plot. Also, I am reading a version I downlo=
aded last year, soon after you announced the work.<br></div></div></div>


</blockquote></div></div></div>

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