Received: from mail-pb0-f55.google.com ([209.85.160.55]:60640) by stodi.digitalkingdom.org with esmtps (TLSv1:RC4-SHA:128) (Exim 4.80.1) (envelope-from ) id 1W0IjY-0007Zf-O7 for lojban-list-archive@lojban.org; Mon, 06 Jan 2014 14:33:28 -0800 Received: by mail-pb0-f55.google.com with SMTP id jt11sf4447058pbb.10 for ; Mon, 06 Jan 2014 14:33:14 -0800 (PST) DKIM-Signature: v=1; a=rsa-sha256; c=relaxed/relaxed; d=googlegroups.com; s=20120806; h=mime-version:date:message-id:subject:from:to:x-original-sender :x-original-authentication-results:reply-to:precedence:mailing-list :list-id:list-post:list-help:list-archive:sender:list-subscribe :list-unsubscribe:content-type; bh=d41m4MhQQpkcGInnaart5eSenQm0opTBcYTGTHad/fU=; b=gp7wKTirIHPPOhBHVw8n8H7uM6Uei1LBbmj39Ad61Ii+PETyBqRsRA0duQwlt7z2kM eHVzxPlCCxAYcqTLu9bayUQVrgMHbw9nB2t87bvCay2Rkc25gNPohKGzCmkRW+LLofcl QCyJQK6JAyzmnNi81eq0i46Cs6WZsmj7jvt867gLp2SV2HonQt+s84P6D4+ymGkyoeCZ ULuaKri74zv1GeoIMpqmVajHxBBHWRmkM1czGWykNqGnwnpqRE0wbNAH48mp6Na9XJv9 jJZAMAlXGvVL7T2oOsLkJPv4jcRdwQxQl2/+U8Ge0mytEqvWzOujMuc34myTPGhsJ1a6 OJ3w== X-Received: by 10.50.29.41 with SMTP id g9mr332268igh.4.1389047594620; Mon, 06 Jan 2014 14:33:14 -0800 (PST) X-BeenThere: lojban@googlegroups.com Received: by 10.50.30.170 with SMTP id t10ls1669635igh.9.gmail; Mon, 06 Jan 2014 14:33:14 -0800 (PST) X-Received: by 10.66.190.197 with SMTP id gs5mr444189pac.14.1389047594327; Mon, 06 Jan 2014 14:33:14 -0800 (PST) Received: from mail-ig0-x231.google.com (mail-ig0-x231.google.com [2607:f8b0:4001:c05::231]) by gmr-mx.google.com with ESMTPS id v64si4474530yhm.3.2014.01.06.14.33.14 for (version=TLSv1 cipher=ECDHE-RSA-RC4-SHA bits=128/128); Mon, 06 Jan 2014 14:33:14 -0800 (PST) Received-SPF: pass (google.com: domain of felipeg.assis@gmail.com designates 2607:f8b0:4001:c05::231 as permitted sender) client-ip=2607:f8b0:4001:c05::231; Received: by mail-ig0-f177.google.com with SMTP id uy17so8511633igb.4 for ; Mon, 06 Jan 2014 14:33:13 -0800 (PST) MIME-Version: 1.0 X-Received: by 10.42.239.77 with SMTP id kv13mr66317070icb.0.1389047593819; Mon, 06 Jan 2014 14:33:13 -0800 (PST) Received: by 10.64.223.166 with HTTP; Mon, 6 Jan 2014 14:33:13 -0800 (PST) Date: Mon, 6 Jan 2014 20:33:13 -0200 Message-ID: Subject: [lojban] [oz] {ve vimcu} vs. {te zilvi'u} vs. {se sumji} From: =?ISO-8859-1?Q?Felipe_Gon=E7alves_Assis?= To: lojban@googlegroups.com X-Original-Sender: felipeg.assis@gmail.com X-Original-Authentication-Results: gmr-mx.google.com; spf=pass (google.com: domain of felipeg.assis@gmail.com designates 2607:f8b0:4001:c05::231 as permitted sender) smtp.mail=felipeg.assis@gmail.com; dkim=pass header.i=@gmail.com; dmarc=pass (p=NONE dis=NONE) header.from=gmail.com Reply-To: lojban@googlegroups.com Precedence: list Mailing-list: list lojban@googlegroups.com; contact lojban+owners@googlegroups.com List-ID: X-Google-Group-Id: 1004133512417 List-Post: , List-Help: , List-Archive: Sender: lojban@googlegroups.com List-Subscribe: , List-Unsubscribe: , Content-Type: multipart/alternative; boundary=001a1133d92e67e4b004ef54d8e6 X-Spam-Score: 0.0 (/) X-Spam_score: 0.0 X-Spam_score_int: 0 X-Spam_bar: / --001a1133d92e67e4b004ef54d8e6 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1 Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable coi selpa'i I noticed you used {ve vimcu}, and sometimes {te zilvi'u}, to translate the idea of "remainder", as in (1) {mi'a s=E8pli pi ro lo ve v=ECmcu be fi lo m=F9nje} (2) {lo te zilv=EC'u be lo pr=E8nu cu m=E0rji lo bl=E0nu t=E0xfu} I felt like I had to ask: 1. How do you feel about using {se sumji} instead? 2. Why exactly did you sometimes used {vimcu}, and sometimes {zilvi'u}? I am equally unable to identify a possible vimcu1, in both examples above. I personally like {lo se sumji be ko'a [bei zo'e]} a lot, as using {zo'e} to refer to something recently mentioned is very natural, as in {ja'o la'e di'u kr=ECnu}. mu'o mi'e .asiz. --=20 You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups "= lojban" group. To unsubscribe from this group and stop receiving emails from it, send an e= mail to lojban+unsubscribe@googlegroups.com. To post to this group, send email to lojban@googlegroups.com. Visit this group at http://groups.google.com/group/lojban. For more options, visit https://groups.google.com/groups/opt_out. --001a1133d92e67e4b004ef54d8e6 Content-Type: text/html; charset=ISO-8859-1 Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable
coi selpa'i

I noticed you used {ve vimcu},= and sometimes {te zilvi'u}, to translate the idea of "remainder&q= uot;, as in
(1) {mi'a s=E8pli pi ro lo ve v=ECmcu be fi lo m=F9nje}<= br>(2) {lo te zilv=EC'u be lo pr=E8nu cu m=E0rji lo bl=E0nu t=E0xfu}
I felt like I had to ask:
=A01. How do you feel about using {se sumj= i} instead?
=A02. Why exactly did you sometimes used {vimcu}, and someti= mes {zilvi'u}? I am equally unable to identify a possible vimcu1, in bo= th examples above.

I personally like {lo se sumji be ko'a [bei zo'e]} a lot, as us= ing {zo'e} to refer to something recently mentioned is very natural, as= in
=A0{ja'o la'e di'u kr=ECnu}.

mu'o
mi'e .asiz.

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