Received: from mail-qe0-f57.google.com ([209.85.128.57]:64066) by stodi.digitalkingdom.org with esmtps (TLSv1:RC4-SHA:128) (Exim 4.80.1) (envelope-from ) id 1W0JBN-0007q6-MT for lojban-list-archive@lojban.org; Mon, 06 Jan 2014 15:02:13 -0800 Received: by mail-qe0-f57.google.com with SMTP id gc15sf4364228qeb.2 for ; Mon, 06 Jan 2014 15:01:58 -0800 (PST) DKIM-Signature: v=1; a=rsa-sha256; c=relaxed/relaxed; d=googlegroups.com; s=20120806; h=message-id:date:from:user-agent:mime-version:to:subject:references :in-reply-to:x-original-sender:x-original-authentication-results :reply-to:precedence:mailing-list:list-id:list-post:list-help :list-archive:sender:list-subscribe:list-unsubscribe:content-type; bh=EHAq1Cf8m28jOuYB97YGwgxh24i5UQ3nem8Mpk5OtBo=; b=ZFLwVVOG/kh95uORlj+wktmYvuX+KWvSMwv4XitFSk3tIbx9hUU7La3j4j8hVOsKz4 YcDqPLvyQGhihT2+9xDUQysHHRzY8ZUD/oqt7sN5PnkmO/jz2/nTLGG5wQVvcqRCXKhf edlQemihe4U2HZ65r3gfF827lGn9OfYzfglRWXjaMmmgKd2juMl3KLQj8ZwG+/aWal97 IS2krri9eQmO2Ff1FIVOAeqaA2wiRvxA+cdS/LQGa2xo6CvmYIPLE0aIQRmzJpF2Sjl/ HC/jhA2uYiALKANkpiNyaOmRr1Fa4imSblBPKaIO1455D04iOKJd7NgZ2cqjCI7M/dvR 6Z1w== X-Received: by 10.49.94.110 with SMTP id db14mr69743qeb.27.1389049318948; Mon, 06 Jan 2014 15:01:58 -0800 (PST) X-BeenThere: lojban@googlegroups.com Received: by 10.49.82.49 with SMTP id f17ls5806390qey.54.gmail; Mon, 06 Jan 2014 15:01:58 -0800 (PST) X-Received: by 10.58.156.42 with SMTP id wb10mr31947753veb.26.1389049318415; Mon, 06 Jan 2014 15:01:58 -0800 (PST) Received: from mout.gmx.net (mout.gmx.net. [212.227.17.22]) by gmr-mx.google.com with ESMTPS id vn2si40810igb.2.2014.01.06.15.01.58 for (version=TLSv1.2 cipher=ECDHE-RSA-AES128-GCM-SHA256 bits=128/128); Mon, 06 Jan 2014 15:01:58 -0800 (PST) Received-SPF: pass (google.com: domain of seladwa@gmx.de designates 212.227.17.22 as permitted sender) client-ip=212.227.17.22; Received: from [192.168.2.108] ([93.220.110.203]) by mail.gmx.com (mrgmx001) with ESMTPSA (Nemesis) id 0LymHf-1VN8WR2f9r-016Ayz for ; Tue, 07 Jan 2014 00:01:56 +0100 Message-ID: <52CB35E6.9000601@gmx.de> Date: Tue, 07 Jan 2014 00:01:58 +0100 From: selpa'i User-Agent: Mozilla/5.0 (Windows NT 5.1; rv:24.0) Gecko/20100101 Thunderbird/24.2.0 MIME-Version: 1.0 To: lojban@googlegroups.com Subject: Re: [lojban] [oz] Abstractors References: <52CB2C21.5080902@gmx.de> In-Reply-To: X-Provags-ID: V03:K0:MnjZm75HVl7TLDPUL8jYIu/7/VrSgyGZ281+KZ4Jkj/5iVzx1F1 BCy2mIrFdD0sIKBmN2iN0YH+E/KWKdi86ne1T5F9QHo+KKVw1w1ZF6XV4QI2cH7Dyrb5pfM sNjsm3E58LiwXrLxgFoyoy2Jl365B6SLQn6xq6KIeWi0Chdo5gL+BLz2yZ+NhN1tCDAcVD1 /P4c7o6QtSBJrKV7sJlsA== X-Original-Sender: seladwa@gmx.de X-Original-Authentication-Results: gmr-mx.google.com; spf=pass (google.com: domain of seladwa@gmx.de designates 212.227.17.22 as permitted sender) smtp.mail=seladwa@gmx.de Reply-To: lojban@googlegroups.com Precedence: list Mailing-list: list lojban@googlegroups.com; contact lojban+owners@googlegroups.com List-ID: X-Google-Group-Id: 1004133512417 List-Post: , List-Help: , List-Archive: Sender: lojban@googlegroups.com List-Subscribe: , List-Unsubscribe: , Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1; format=flowed X-Spam-Score: 0.0 (/) X-Spam_score: 0.0 X-Spam_score_int: 0 X-Spam_bar: / la .xorxes. cu cusku di'e > Wouldn't "zukte ro lo se kakne be se va'u do" work? Yes, it would. The difference is just between doing and bringing about. The one I went with ({gasnu ro lo jai se kakne}, which means {gasnu ro lo jai se kakne be se va'u do bei fai lo ka gasnu}), says that he'll bring about all the things he can bring about, possibly including things he can't do himself, so I think I prefer gasnu in this case. That is not to say that {zukte} wouldn't work, of course. mi'e la selpa'i mu'o -- You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups "lojban" group. To unsubscribe from this group and stop receiving emails from it, send an email to lojban+unsubscribe@googlegroups.com. To post to this group, send email to lojban@googlegroups.com. Visit this group at http://groups.google.com/group/lojban. For more options, visit https://groups.google.com/groups/opt_out.