Received: from mail-ob0-f189.google.com ([209.85.214.189]:50020) by stodi.digitalkingdom.org with esmtps (TLSv1:RC4-SHA:128) (Exim 4.80.1) (envelope-from ) id 1W0JFT-0007ut-Lq for lojban-list-archive@lojban.org; Mon, 06 Jan 2014 15:06:27 -0800 Received: by mail-ob0-f189.google.com with SMTP id uz6sf4446107obc.6 for ; Mon, 06 Jan 2014 15:06:13 -0800 (PST) DKIM-Signature: v=1; a=rsa-sha256; c=relaxed/relaxed; d=googlegroups.com; s=20120806; h=mime-version:date:message-id:subject:from:to:x-original-sender :x-original-authentication-results:reply-to:precedence:mailing-list :list-id:list-post:list-help:list-archive:sender:list-subscribe :list-unsubscribe:content-type; bh=ciWaxHaum9xUdSsV5ObnWjQTLZsU54KVBlHvfMHlGWk=; b=u4pl8HDEatdFka6SlMKs4GBBvl1aLaSOrLocszqZqmRwrd+9jKjwGWvBHMR8ehjotl C4Fim81+Ltixir0IKHaubYNmh8rZ5/CdNTDCCINgoDjvUynABQ8Gf3HvNzLIcaE0Cvxa tZ62b09oG10/Qt2hPQLxC6o4BOFbfhBL9+9wVD94/lIgx6zjyXAVm3Cfk0jtSSL4XSbs nWGQy/W/oZBhCRQw5R3LXymvDCo8VgYii+OWNFoRgUtDOWVx+/ZbCH6Re26WZDIV4tOv G29n/AHc92nLBDk+hjP7VZeyVkLGpEnmQ8bd2j0ujBIo53yEH8kFyMRjL39f1HgrQMwA 972g== X-Received: by 10.49.24.109 with SMTP id t13mr275524qef.7.1389049573571; Mon, 06 Jan 2014 15:06:13 -0800 (PST) X-BeenThere: lojban@googlegroups.com Received: by 10.49.116.42 with SMTP id jt10ls5717870qeb.66.gmail; Mon, 06 Jan 2014 15:06:13 -0800 (PST) X-Received: by 10.58.34.142 with SMTP id z14mr43693044vei.23.1389049573166; Mon, 06 Jan 2014 15:06:13 -0800 (PST) Received: from mail-ie0-x235.google.com (mail-ie0-x235.google.com [2607:f8b0:4001:c03::235]) by gmr-mx.google.com with ESMTPS id x29si4505456yha.0.2014.01.06.15.06.13 for (version=TLSv1 cipher=ECDHE-RSA-RC4-SHA bits=128/128); Mon, 06 Jan 2014 15:06:13 -0800 (PST) Received-SPF: pass (google.com: domain of felipeg.assis@gmail.com designates 2607:f8b0:4001:c03::235 as permitted sender) client-ip=2607:f8b0:4001:c03::235; Received: by mail-ie0-f181.google.com with SMTP id e14so18324296iej.26 for ; Mon, 06 Jan 2014 15:06:12 -0800 (PST) MIME-Version: 1.0 X-Received: by 10.43.141.4 with SMTP id jc4mr39792icc.87.1389049572725; Mon, 06 Jan 2014 15:06:12 -0800 (PST) Received: by 10.64.223.166 with HTTP; Mon, 6 Jan 2014 15:06:12 -0800 (PST) Date: Mon, 6 Jan 2014 21:06:12 -0200 Message-ID: Subject: [lojban] [oz] Use of elidable {cu} From: =?ISO-8859-1?Q?Felipe_Gon=E7alves_Assis?= To: lojban@googlegroups.com X-Original-Sender: felipeg.assis@gmail.com X-Original-Authentication-Results: gmr-mx.google.com; spf=pass (google.com: domain of felipeg.assis@gmail.com designates 2607:f8b0:4001:c03::235 as permitted sender) smtp.mail=felipeg.assis@gmail.com; dkim=pass header.i=@gmail.com; dmarc=pass (p=NONE dis=NONE) header.from=gmail.com Reply-To: lojban@googlegroups.com Precedence: list Mailing-list: list lojban@googlegroups.com; contact lojban+owners@googlegroups.com List-ID: X-Google-Group-Id: 1004133512417 List-Post: , List-Help: , List-Archive: Sender: lojban@googlegroups.com List-Subscribe: , List-Unsubscribe: , Content-Type: multipart/alternative; boundary=001a11c250565b99af04ef554eb4 X-Spam-Score: 0.0 (/) X-Spam_score: 0.0 X-Spam_score_int: 0 X-Spam_bar: / --001a11c250565b99af04ef554eb4 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1 Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable coi selpa'i I know about the "cmevla as brivla" rule in the translation grammar. But still there remains a great amount of elidable {cu} occurrences throughout the text. E.g., (1) {lo zd=E0ni cu pu se cintypu'i} (2) {la nakf=E0mti .x=E8nris. cu no roi cm=ECla} (3) {xy ji'a cu gr=F9si} (4) {ca lo c=E0bdei cu na k=E8lci} Granted, these are perfectly correct. It just made me curious to hear any thoughts you have on the usage of {cu}. In any case, the common usage exemplified above seems inconsistent with more rare examples such as (5) {sei ny sp=F9da} (6) {sei ny sp=F9sku} (3 times) (7) {pa la m=E0xpre pu p=F2nse} (8) {la .oz. na d=F9nda lo b=E8sna do} (9) {la .t=F2tos. ca lo n=F9ncfa na n=E8lci lo vi ziljm=ECna be lo b=E8nde} (10) {la .d=F2rotis. na sai ka'e v=ECska} (11) {la .t=F2tos. ja'a ka'e go'i} mu'o mi'e .asiz. --=20 You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups "= lojban" group. To unsubscribe from this group and stop receiving emails from it, send an e= mail to lojban+unsubscribe@googlegroups.com. To post to this group, send email to lojban@googlegroups.com. Visit this group at http://groups.google.com/group/lojban. For more options, visit https://groups.google.com/groups/opt_out. --001a11c250565b99af04ef554eb4 Content-Type: text/html; charset=ISO-8859-1 Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable

coi selpa'i

I know about the "cme= vla as brivla" rule in the translation grammar. But still there remain= s a great amount of elidable {cu} occurrences throughout the text. E.g.,
(1) {lo zd=E0ni cu pu se cintypu'i}
(2) {la nakf=E0mti .x=E8nris. cu no roi cm=ECla}
(3) {xy ji'a cu gr= =F9si}
(4) {ca lo c=E0bdei cu na k=E8lci}

Granted, these are perf= ectly correct. It just made me curious to hear any thoughts you have on the= usage of {cu}.

In any case, the common usage exemplified above seems inconsistent with= more rare examples such as

(5) {sei ny sp=F9da}
(6) {sei ny sp= =F9sku} (3 times)
(7) {pa la m=E0xpre pu p=F2nse}
(8) {la .oz. na d= =F9nda lo b=E8sna do}
(9) {la .t=F2tos. ca lo n=F9ncfa na n=E8lci lo vi ziljm=ECna be lo b=E8nde}=
(10) {la .d=F2rotis. na sai ka'e v=ECska}
(11) {la .t=F2tos. ja&= #39;a ka'e go'i}

mu'o
mi'e .asiz.

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