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Date: Mon, 6 Jan 2014 21:22:34 -0200
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On Mon, Jan 6, 2014 at 8:01 PM, selpa'i <seladwa@gmx.de> wrote:

> la .xorxes. cu cusku di'e
>
>  Wouldn't "zukte ro lo se kakne be se va'u do" work?
>>
>
> Yes, it would.
>
> The difference is just between doing and bringing about. The one I went
> with ({gasnu ro lo jai se kakne}, which means {gasnu ro lo jai se kakne be
> se va'u do bei fai lo ka gasnu}), says that he'll bring about all the
> things he can bring about, possibly including things he can't do himself,
> so I think I prefer gasnu in this case. That is not to say that {zukte}
> wouldn't work, of course.
>
>
What was it in English? I thought it would be something like "I'll do all I
can for you" rather than "I'll make sure everything that can be done for
you gets done".

In any case, I'm just not too happy with "jai". The way I understand it, it
is used for sumti raising, i.e. extract an argument from a subordinate
bridi in the x1 of a selbri and raise it to become the first argument of
the selbri. Here you seem to use it to create an event out of a property?

mu'o mi'e xorxes
.

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On Mon, Jan 6, 2014 at 8:01 PM, selpa&#39;i <span dir=3D"ltr">&lt;<a href=
=3D"mailto:seladwa@gmx.de" target=3D"_blank">seladwa@gmx.de</a>&gt;</span> =
wrote:<br><blockquote class=3D"gmail_quote" style=3D"margin:0 0 0 .8ex;bord=
er-left:1px #ccc solid;padding-left:1ex">
la .xorxes. cu cusku di&#39;e<div class=3D"im"><br>
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x #ccc solid;padding-left:1ex">
Wouldn&#39;t &quot;zukte ro lo se kakne be se va&#39;u do&quot; work?<br>
</blockquote>
<br></div>
Yes, it would.<br>
<br>
The difference is just between doing and bringing about. The one I went wit=
h ({gasnu ro lo jai se kakne}, which means {gasnu ro lo jai se kakne be se =
va&#39;u do bei fai lo ka gasnu}), says that he&#39;ll bring about all the =
things he can bring about, possibly including things he can&#39;t do himsel=
f, so I think I prefer gasnu in this case. That is not to say that {zukte} =
wouldn&#39;t work, of course.<div class=3D"HOEnZb">
<div class=3D"h5"><br></div></div></blockquote><div><br></div><div>What was=
 it in English? I thought it would be something like &quot;I&#39;ll do all =
I can for you&quot; rather than &quot;I&#39;ll make sure everything that ca=
n be done for you gets done&quot;.</div>
<div><br></div><div>In any case, I&#39;m just not too happy with &quot;jai&=
quot;. The way I understand it, it is used for sumti raising, i.e. extract =
an argument from a subordinate bridi in the x1 of a selbri and raise it to =
become the first argument of the selbri. Here you seem to use it to create =
an event out of a property?</div>
<div><br></div><div>mu&#39;o mi&#39;e xorxes</div><div>. =A0=A0</div></div>=
</div></div>

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