Received: from mail-ea0-f189.google.com ([209.85.215.189]:33021) by stodi.digitalkingdom.org with esmtps (TLSv1:RC4-SHA:128) (Exim 4.80.1) (envelope-from ) id 1W0JdN-00085w-LH for lojban-list-archive@lojban.org; Mon, 06 Jan 2014 15:31:18 -0800 Received: by mail-ea0-f189.google.com with SMTP id f15sf1629161eak.26 for ; Mon, 06 Jan 2014 15:30:54 -0800 (PST) DKIM-Signature: v=1; a=rsa-sha256; c=relaxed/relaxed; d=googlegroups.com; s=20120806; h=message-id:date:from:user-agent:mime-version:to:subject:references :in-reply-to:x-original-sender:x-original-authentication-results :reply-to:precedence:mailing-list:list-id:list-post:list-help :list-archive:sender:list-subscribe:list-unsubscribe:content-type; bh=9HiGAvU5MR5dCkCSLKdUmGsGTtI9ySlfd52k6C557Vw=; b=N79QdG2yIJ7kR/79AIDS7/IlEcLkR3GbaDsrVlGVcWaP+1Igvh5tP0SsQEnF/wE981 vF/nyOJ/QLEnR9tE+L3E4UMJ8ap62ZbX5ZJtK6AAWkfAXSeMcT64aKpemnJJGjzi/8qJ Zx8W7N4+cGGGWs0KxMnsImu9mrH6jyZMQ3Mva6vPjSyZYhsKOJZ+w6yv04Dmz+Wzm52M 6lCW+cDCB+iIDEEx2EeM7pC9WKM2nRCvDICTE+ClsjqVJ2KCapuyQ2WGj5JsWqd+BGCY p2wh/CtA2xwtYsfxx4IducDsJYMglhbBbh5OuQDilp1YFfmHrzeETFQ0Gp4nPqXaAQXm mkDg== X-Received: by 10.180.38.14 with SMTP id c14mr176605wik.4.1389051054482; Mon, 06 Jan 2014 15:30:54 -0800 (PST) X-BeenThere: lojban@googlegroups.com Received: by 10.180.7.164 with SMTP id k4ls530195wia.15.canary; Mon, 06 Jan 2014 15:30:54 -0800 (PST) X-Received: by 10.14.179.134 with SMTP id h6mr4565469eem.7.1389051054018; Mon, 06 Jan 2014 15:30:54 -0800 (PST) Received: from mout.gmx.net (mout.gmx.net. [212.227.17.21]) by gmr-mx.google.com with ESMTPS id s42si759842eew.1.2014.01.06.15.30.53 for (version=TLSv1.2 cipher=ECDHE-RSA-AES128-GCM-SHA256 bits=128/128); Mon, 06 Jan 2014 15:30:54 -0800 (PST) Received-SPF: pass (google.com: domain of seladwa@gmx.de designates 212.227.17.21 as permitted sender) client-ip=212.227.17.21; Received: from [192.168.2.108] ([93.220.110.203]) by mail.gmx.com (mrgmx003) with ESMTPSA (Nemesis) id 0M92ZJ-1W7h4q2hpt-00CTC3 for ; Tue, 07 Jan 2014 00:30:53 +0100 Message-ID: <52CB3CAF.9070200@gmx.de> Date: Tue, 07 Jan 2014 00:30:55 +0100 From: selpa'i User-Agent: Mozilla/5.0 (Windows NT 5.1; rv:24.0) Gecko/20100101 Thunderbird/24.2.0 MIME-Version: 1.0 To: lojban@googlegroups.com Subject: Re: [lojban] [oz] Abstractors References: <52CB2C21.5080902@gmx.de> In-Reply-To: X-Provags-ID: V03:K0:zHPgVTfTT1xupQwIoAGGnDv19SOpzvaYYODqJ0+5xDCs6lX5qP8 yh3Zc6tfSy47Y4nwdfckaMi2B5vKx5+CdE/ngJbq9JVVqEbmjSrg+8MBK9Zwcn9l71Bl2JA gD4qxfNO79KG8KK0DN9qyxGSqYTZYZdg0A1/xtS0GDi/gDx3Zk8O9JTyC387l1/iHtZfC4H E6x5i95CjK1oEKWsCsuMw== X-Original-Sender: seladwa@gmx.de X-Original-Authentication-Results: gmr-mx.google.com; spf=pass (google.com: domain of seladwa@gmx.de designates 212.227.17.21 as permitted sender) smtp.mail=seladwa@gmx.de Reply-To: lojban@googlegroups.com Precedence: list Mailing-list: list lojban@googlegroups.com; contact lojban+owners@googlegroups.com List-ID: X-Google-Group-Id: 1004133512417 List-Post: , List-Help: , List-Archive: Sender: lojban@googlegroups.com List-Subscribe: , List-Unsubscribe: , Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1; format=flowed X-Spam-Score: 0.0 (/) X-Spam_score: 0.0 X-Spam_score_int: 0 X-Spam_bar: / la .asiz. cu cusku di'e > You should say {lo te troci cu rinka lo nu morsi} or {lo nu troci cu > rinka lo nu morsi}, right? It would say the latter. It just makes the tried thing more "buried", which is what I disliked at first, but it's still better than {nu}. What I mean by buried is that "what I tried killed him" sounds different (to me) from "my attempt killed him". The former has the attempted thing right at the top, the latter doesn't mention it. It's a bit like {lo nu troci ma kau}, but I'm not sure that's quite it, though it sounds about right. mi'e la selpa'i mu'o -- You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups "lojban" group. To unsubscribe from this group and stop receiving emails from it, send an email to lojban+unsubscribe@googlegroups.com. To post to this group, send email to lojban@googlegroups.com. Visit this group at http://groups.google.com/group/lojban. For more options, visit https://groups.google.com/groups/opt_out.