Received: from mail-wg0-f64.google.com ([74.125.82.64]:34104) by stodi.digitalkingdom.org with esmtps (TLSv1:RC4-SHA:128) (Exim 4.80.1) (envelope-from ) id 1W0JiM-0008BG-Tz for lojban-list-archive@lojban.org; Mon, 06 Jan 2014 15:36:19 -0800 Received: by mail-wg0-f64.google.com with SMTP id z12sf1752901wgg.9 for ; Mon, 06 Jan 2014 15:36:02 -0800 (PST) DKIM-Signature: v=1; a=rsa-sha256; c=relaxed/relaxed; d=googlegroups.com; s=20120806; h=mime-version:in-reply-to:references:date:message-id:subject:from:to :x-original-sender:x-original-authentication-results:reply-to :precedence:mailing-list:list-id:list-post:list-help:list-archive :sender:list-subscribe:list-unsubscribe:content-type; bh=Miul/W4PZ2TDikRBa6yf8PLOeRMqOVD44MqL6D2WE2o=; b=L8nrKPoYyo86SsmtRL/Q84wQLAKN5YjwBt3F0Tu+3uW0q5COPcDCkczaX+P1NYYK8t b8/JdXkKajk2VhwPCaNfDPvqjTIMd0K9RohkQ2mujcKBZ3FNRV7wtIsO2uDwC1DJE7MH w7JkK+mw6YkcrfodL2aoJ5b5sNLbE3GPJ5IauobDD4+aPqecV/K3NVB2ZpZ3OiDX4NGV jvMrW+UR3fQzSUe1YS+hpoDHwcrzfzGXKqR23O0j3m/xQkRkWybFZFdwy6NX3MLFWALr 3mWau0CdqQb3/HP4T4mw1Bwxsbv+W++O+LHFggkjLei0SIk2GF4D73sFSYCGa0nD3FHB /SBg== X-Received: by 10.152.1.39 with SMTP id 7mr1458039laj.1.1389051362479; Mon, 06 Jan 2014 15:36:02 -0800 (PST) X-BeenThere: lojban@googlegroups.com Received: by 10.152.21.74 with SMTP id t10ls968lae.81.gmail; Mon, 06 Jan 2014 15:36:02 -0800 (PST) X-Received: by 10.152.26.72 with SMTP id j8mr42771857lag.7.1389051362111; Mon, 06 Jan 2014 15:36:02 -0800 (PST) Received: from mail-la0-x22a.google.com (mail-la0-x22a.google.com [2a00:1450:4010:c03::22a]) by gmr-mx.google.com with ESMTPS id rk7si8633921bkb.2.2014.01.06.15.36.02 for (version=TLSv1 cipher=ECDHE-RSA-RC4-SHA bits=128/128); Mon, 06 Jan 2014 15:36:02 -0800 (PST) Received-SPF: pass (google.com: domain of jjllambias@gmail.com designates 2a00:1450:4010:c03::22a as permitted sender) client-ip=2a00:1450:4010:c03::22a; Received: by mail-la0-f42.google.com with SMTP id ec20so10391624lab.15 for ; Mon, 06 Jan 2014 15:36:01 -0800 (PST) MIME-Version: 1.0 X-Received: by 10.112.151.74 with SMTP id uo10mr2148876lbb.45.1389051361781; Mon, 06 Jan 2014 15:36:01 -0800 (PST) Received: by 10.114.11.4 with HTTP; Mon, 6 Jan 2014 15:36:01 -0800 (PST) In-Reply-To: <52CB3AC2.3070507@gmx.de> References: <52CB3AC2.3070507@gmx.de> Date: Mon, 6 Jan 2014 21:36:01 -0200 Message-ID: Subject: Re: [lojban] [oz] Use of elidable {cu} From: =?ISO-8859-1?Q?Jorge_Llamb=EDas?= To: lojban@googlegroups.com X-Original-Sender: jjllambias@gmail.com X-Original-Authentication-Results: gmr-mx.google.com; spf=pass (google.com: domain of jjllambias@gmail.com designates 2a00:1450:4010:c03::22a as permitted sender) smtp.mail=jjllambias@gmail.com; dkim=pass header.i=@gmail.com; dmarc=pass (p=NONE dis=NONE) header.from=gmail.com Reply-To: lojban@googlegroups.com Precedence: list Mailing-list: list lojban@googlegroups.com; contact lojban+owners@googlegroups.com List-ID: X-Google-Group-Id: 1004133512417 List-Post: , List-Help: , List-Archive: Sender: lojban@googlegroups.com List-Subscribe: , List-Unsubscribe: , Content-Type: multipart/alternative; boundary=047d7b3433fefe6c2604ef55b8f0 X-Spam-Score: 0.0 (/) X-Spam_score: 0.0 X-Spam_score_int: 0 X-Spam_bar: / --047d7b3433fefe6c2604ef55b8f0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1 On Mon, Jan 6, 2014 at 8:22 PM, selpa'i wrote: > > lo nu broda pu cinri > ! "The event of brodaing in the past is interesting." > Actually it's even worse than that, it's just a sumti: "the brodaing in the past type of interesting thing." Using {cu} before {pu} is necessary there to prevent the accidental > slipping of the {pu} into the abstraction. So maybe that's one reason to > use {cu} even when it's not necessary: to be less likely to forget it where > it must be used. Yes, it's a good idea not to rely on tenses to do the job of "cu", as they can't always do it. mu'o mi'e xorxes -- You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups "lojban" group. To unsubscribe from this group and stop receiving emails from it, send an email to lojban+unsubscribe@googlegroups.com. To post to this group, send email to lojban@googlegroups.com. Visit this group at http://groups.google.com/group/lojban. For more options, visit https://groups.google.com/groups/opt_out. --047d7b3433fefe6c2604ef55b8f0 Content-Type: text/html; charset=ISO-8859-1 Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable



On Mon, Jan 6, 2014 at 8:22 PM, selpa'i <<= a href=3D"mailto:seladwa@gmx.de" target=3D"_blank">seladwa@gmx.de> wrote:

=A0 =A0lo nu broda pu cinri
=A0 =A0! "The event of brodaing in the past is interesting."
<= /blockquote>

Actually it's even worse than that, it&= #39;s just a sumti: "the brodaing in the past type of interesting thin= g."=A0

Using {cu} before {pu} is necessary there to prevent the accidental slippin= g of the {pu} into the abstraction. So maybe that's one reason to use {= cu} even when it's not necessary: to be less likely to forget it where = it must be used.

Yes, it's a good idea not to rely on tenses to do t= he job of "cu", as they can't always do it.

mu'o mi'e xorxes
=A0

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