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Subject: Re: [lojban] [oz] Use of elidable {cu}
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{lo broda pu brode} is parsed differently between jbofi'e (yacc) and camxes=
=20
(peg):

jbofi'e
[(lo broda KU) CU <<pu brode>> VAU]

camxes
[(lo broda KU) (pu KU) CU <<brode>> VAU]

It seems that jbofi'e is in accordance with CLL, while camxes isn't.
(cf.
CLL9.10:
An alternative to using =93ku=94 is to place the modal cmavo right before t=
he=20
selbri, following the =93cu=94 which often appears there. When a modal is=
=20
present, the =93cu=94 is almost never necessary.
CLL10.1:
The placement of a tense construct within a Lojban bridi is easy: right=20
before the selbri. It goes immediately after the =93cu=94, and can in fact=
=20
always replace the =93cu=94 (although in very complex sentences the rules f=
or=20
eliding terminators may be changed as a result).
)


Le mardi 7 janvier 2014 11:07:38 UTC+9, xorxes a =E9crit :
>
>
> On Mon, Jan 6, 2014 at 9:16 PM, Felipe Gon=E7alves Assis <
> felipe...@gmail.com <javascript:>> wrote:
>>
>>
>> I feel that the natural place of tenses is just before the selbri, and=
=20
>> anywhere else they ought to be followed by either a sumti or {ku}. It is=
 so=20
>> much simpler to add a {ku} whenever we want an out of place tense. I hav=
e=20
>> little hope that the grammar be reviewed, but don't you feel the same?
>>
>
> I did propose once that tags should have priority in their function as=20
> selbri tags over their function as sumti tags.=20
>
>
 Then why are peg parsers against your proposition and jbofi'e and CLL?
Is it a bug, or an intended behavior?

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<div dir=3D"ltr"><br><div>{lo broda pu brode} is parsed differently between=
 jbofi'e (yacc) and camxes (peg):</div><div><br></div><div>jbofi'e</div><di=
v>[(lo broda KU) CU &lt;&lt;pu brode&gt;&gt; VAU]</div><div><br></div><div>=
camxes</div><div>[(lo broda KU) (pu KU) CU &lt;&lt;brode&gt;&gt; VAU]</div>=
<div><br></div><div>It seems that jbofi'e is in accordance with CLL, while =
camxes isn't.</div><div>(cf.</div><div>CLL9.10:</div><div>An alternative to=
 using =93ku=94 is to place the modal cmavo right before the selbri, follow=
ing the =93cu=94 which often appears there. When a modal is present, the =
=93cu=94 is almost never necessary.</div><div>CLL10.1:</div><div>The placem=
ent of a tense construct within a Lojban bridi is easy: right before the se=
lbri. It goes immediately after the =93cu=94, and can in fact always replac=
e the =93cu=94 (although in very complex sentences the rules for eliding te=
rminators may be changed as a result).</div><div>)</div><div><br></div><div=
><br></div><div>Le mardi 7 janvier 2014 11:07:38 UTC+9, xorxes a =E9crit&nb=
sp;:<blockquote class=3D"gmail_quote" style=3D"margin: 0;margin-left: 0.8ex=
;border-left: 1px #ccc solid;padding-left: 1ex;"><div dir=3D"ltr"><br><div =
class=3D"gmail_quote">On Mon, Jan 6, 2014 at 9:16 PM, Felipe Gon=E7alves As=
sis <span dir=3D"ltr">&lt;<a href=3D"javascript:" target=3D"_blank" gdf-obf=
uscated-mailto=3D"kHlEwI0xp9cJ" onmousedown=3D"this.href=3D'javascript:';re=
turn true;" onclick=3D"this.href=3D'javascript:';return true;">felipe...@gm=
ail.com</a>&gt;</span> wrote:<blockquote class=3D"gmail_quote" style=3D"mar=
gin:0 0 0 .8ex;border-left:1px #ccc solid;padding-left:1ex">
<div dir=3D"ltr"><div class=3D"gmail_quote"><div class=3D"gmail_quote"><br>=
</div></div></div></blockquote><blockquote class=3D"gmail_quote" style=3D"m=
argin:0 0 0 .8ex;border-left:1px #ccc solid;padding-left:1ex"><div dir=3D"l=
tr"><div><div class=3D"gmail_quote"><div>I feel that the natural place of t=
enses is just before the selbri, and anywhere else they ought to be followe=
d by either a sumti or {ku}. It is so much simpler to add a {ku} whenever w=
e want an out of place tense. I have little hope that the grammar be review=
ed, but don't you feel the same?<br>
</div></div></div></div></blockquote><div><br></div><div>I did propose once=
 that tags should have priority in their function as selbri tags over their=
 function as sumti tags.&nbsp;</div><div><br></div></div></div></blockquote=
><div><br></div><div>&nbsp;Then why are peg parsers against your propositio=
n and jbofi'e and CLL?</div><div>Is it a bug, or an intended behavior?</div=
></div><div><br></div></div>

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