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Chapter 3

9. {co'a z=F9kte lo nu breb=EC'o lo nu l=ECtru se ka'a la ri'=F2jme tc=E0du=
};

Why {litru se ka'a} instead of plain {klama}? Is it just for variation, or
is there some nuance you are trying to emphasise? I understand that {klama}
is telic, but I can't see it making a difference here.


10. {sei la .d=F2rotis. fau lo nu x=F9lgau v=ECmcu lo c=ECnje be ty};

Did you forget a {cusku}?


11. {lo tolc=EC'o ke kilj=EC'o je bl=E0nu m=E0pku};

Wouldn't {se kilji'o} or {jipkinli} be more appropriate? The hat is either
jipno2 or kinli1.


12. {pa lo k=E0nla cu m=E0sno kalgaisl=ECgau lo k=E0nla};

ki'a?! Did you mean something like
 {cy masno kalgaisligau pa da}?


Chapter 4

13. {cy boi dy k=E0nsa lo ka gl=E8ki cm=ECla lo dy. malfu'a};

Did you mean {lo cy. malfu'a}?


14. {va'o lo nu mi sr=E0ku my ja'e lo nons=E8lsfe te zu'e lo nu mi ka'e c=
=ECtka};

Why {nonselsfe}? What about {kevna} or {nonselgai}?


15. {pa lo pa moi se z=F9kte cu nu pirf=EC'i lo mi k=E8rlo kei};

15.1. Wouldn't {so'o moi} fit better?

15.2. Why {pirfi'i} and not {te pixra fi}?


16. {ki'u lo nu pa re'u nu mi v=ECska lo m=F9nje};

Is that second {nu} intentional?


17. {da tai tolk=F9fra lo nu da dj=F9no lo du'u da b=E8bna};

Why not {zo'e} here?
{tai tolkufra lo nu vo'a djuno lo du'u vo'a bebna}


18. {d=F9nda lo l=E0nka la cpit=E8pygau};

Don't we have {benji} for this?


19. {mi'o b=EClga lo ka kl=E0ma ro da poi dy mi'a da klag=EC'a};

The alternation of pronouns baffles me. I would use {ma'a} all along.


mu'o nai
mi'e .asiz.


On 5 January 2014 13:40, Felipe Gon=E7alves Assis <felipeg.assis@gmail.com>=
wrote:

> coi selpa'i
>
> These are questions about details in your translation that somehow puzzle=
d
> me. Maybe they are of some use to you. Some are issues of pragmatics, som=
e
> are probably my not understanding your language usage.
>
> I should mention that I haven't read the original, though I am naturally
> familiar with the general plot. Also, I am reading a version I downloaded
> last year, soon after you announced the work.
>

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<div dir=3D"ltr">Chapter 3<br><br>9. {co&#39;a z=F9kte lo nu breb=EC&#39;o =
lo nu l=ECtru se ka&#39;a la ri&#39;=F2jme tc=E0du};<div class=3D"gmail_ext=
ra"><br></div><div class=3D"gmail_extra">Why {litru se ka&#39;a} instead of=
 plain {klama}? Is it just for variation, or is there some nuance you are t=
rying to emphasise? I understand that {klama} is telic, but I can&#39;t see=
 it making a difference here.<br>


</div><div class=3D"gmail_extra"><br><br>10. {sei la .d=F2rotis. fau lo nu =
x=F9lgau v=ECmcu lo c=ECnje be ty};<br><br></div><div class=3D"gmail_extra"=
>Did you forget a {cusku}?<br><br><br>11. {lo tolc=EC&#39;o ke kilj=EC&#39;=
o je bl=E0nu m=E0pku};<br>


<br></div><div class=3D"gmail_extra">Wouldn&#39;t {se kilji&#39;o} or {jipk=
inli} be more appropriate? The hat is either jipno2 or kinli1.<br></div><di=
v class=3D"gmail_extra"><br><br></div><div class=3D"gmail_extra">12. {pa lo=
 k=E0nla cu m=E0sno kalgaisl=ECgau lo k=E0nla};<br>


<br></div><div class=3D"gmail_extra">ki&#39;a?! Did you mean something like=
<br></div><div class=3D"gmail_extra">=A0{cy masno kalgaisligau pa da}?<br><=
/div><div class=3D"gmail_extra"><br><br><br></div><div class=3D"gmail_extra=
">Chapter 4<br>


</div><div class=3D"gmail_extra"><br>13. {cy boi dy k=E0nsa lo ka gl=E8ki c=
m=ECla lo dy. malfu&#39;a};<br>
<br></div><div class=3D"gmail_extra">Did you mean {lo cy. malfu&#39;a}?<br>=
</div><div class=3D"gmail_extra"><br><br>14. {va&#39;o lo nu mi sr=E0ku my =
ja&#39;e lo nons=E8lsfe te zu&#39;e lo nu mi ka&#39;e c=ECtka};<br><br></di=
v><div class=3D"gmail_extra">


Why {nonselsfe}? What about {kevna} or {nonselgai}?<br><br><br>15. {pa lo p=
a moi se z=F9kte cu nu pirf=EC&#39;i lo mi k=E8rlo kei};<br><br>15.1. Would=
n&#39;t {so&#39;o moi} fit better?<br><br></div><div class=3D"gmail_extra">=
15.2. Why {pirfi&#39;i} and not {te pixra fi}?<br>


</div><div class=3D"gmail_extra"><br><br>16. {ki&#39;u lo nu pa re&#39;u nu=
 mi v=ECska lo m=F9nje};<br><br></div><div class=3D"gmail_extra">Is that se=
cond {nu} intentional?<br><br><br>17. {da tai tolk=F9fra lo nu da dj=F9no l=
o du&#39;u da b=E8bna};<br>


<br></div><div class=3D"gmail_extra">Why not {zo&#39;e} here?<br></div><div=
 class=3D"gmail_extra">{tai tolkufra lo nu vo&#39;a djuno lo du&#39;u vo=
9;a bebna}<br><br><br>18. {d=F9nda lo l=E0nka la cpit=E8pygau};</div><div c=
lass=3D"gmail_extra">


<br></div><div class=3D"gmail_extra">Don&#39;t we have {benji} for this?<br=
><br><br>19. {mi&#39;o b=EClga lo ka kl=E0ma ro da poi dy mi&#39;a da klag=
=EC&#39;a};<br><br></div><div class=3D"gmail_extra">The alternation of pron=
ouns baffles me. I would use {ma&#39;a} all along.<br>
<br><br>mu&#39;o nai<br>mi&#39;e .asiz.<br><br>
</div><div class=3D"gmail_extra"><br></div><div class=3D"gmail_extra"><div =
class=3D"gmail_quote">
On 5 January 2014 13:40, Felipe Gon=E7alves Assis <span dir=3D"ltr">&lt;<a =
href=3D"mailto:felipeg.assis@gmail.com" target=3D"_blank">felipeg.assis@gma=
il.com</a>&gt;</span> wrote:<br>
<blockquote class=3D"gmail_quote" style=3D"margin:0px 0px 0px 0.8ex;border-=
left:1px solid rgb(204,204,204);padding-left:1ex"><div dir=3D"ltr"><div><di=
v>coi selpa&#39;i<br><br>These are questions about details in your translat=
ion that somehow puzzled me. Maybe they are of some use to you. Some are is=
sues of pragmatics, some are probably my not understanding your language us=
age.<br>


<br>I should mention that I haven&#39;t read the original, though I am natu=
rally familiar with the general plot. Also, I am reading a version I downlo=
aded last year, soon after you announced the work.<br>
</div></div></div>
</blockquote></div></div></div>

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