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Date: Tue, 7 Jan 2014 13:50:24 -0200
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Subject: Re: [lojban] [oz] Use of elidable {cu}
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On Tue, Jan 7, 2014 at 12:27 PM, Felipe Gon=E7alves Assis <
felipeg.assis@gmail.com> wrote:

> In
>
> http://users.digitalkingdom.org/~rlpowell/hobbies/lojban/grammar/lojban.p=
eg.txt
> (where can I find the file used by camxes?)
> There is this rule
>
> term-1 <- sumti / ( !gek (tag / FA-clause free*) (sumti / KU-clause?
> free*) ) / termset / NA-clause KU-clause free*
>
>
> I don't have a firm grasp of formal grammars, so correct me if I am wrong=
.
>
> 1. This rule is relevant.
> 2. If we make the KU-clause mandatory, instead of optional, my mental
> grammar is realized.
>
> term-1 <- sumti / ( !gek (tag / FA-clause free*) (sumti / KU-clause free*=
)
> ) / termset / NA-clause KU-clause free*
>

That's one way of dealing with it, although for my taste it has the
disadvantage of making a terminator non-elidable, which is exceptional.
Also, because of the silly restrictions on compound tags, you would have to
be very aware of which tags can be combined without ku and which strings of
tags would require ku insertions to make them work.

The way I would rather do it is:

term-1 <- sumti / ( !gek (tag !selbri-1 / FA-clause free*) (sumti /
KU-clause? free*) ) / termset / NA-clause KU-clause free*

which means that the tag will not be absorbed as a term if it's directly
followed by a selbri-1 (in which case it will be absorbed by the selbri
rule),

mu'o mi'e xorxes

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<div dir=3D"ltr"><br><div class=3D"gmail_extra"><br><br><div class=3D"gmail=
_quote">On Tue, Jan 7, 2014 at 12:27 PM, Felipe Gon=E7alves Assis <span dir=
=3D"ltr">&lt;<a href=3D"mailto:felipeg.assis@gmail.com" target=3D"_blank">f=
elipeg.assis@gmail.com</a>&gt;</span> wrote:<br>
<blockquote class=3D"gmail_quote" style=3D"margin:0px 0px 0px 0.8ex;border-=
left-width:1px;border-left-color:rgb(204,204,204);border-left-style:solid;p=
adding-left:1ex"><div dir=3D"ltr"><div><div><div>In<br><a href=3D"http://us=
ers.digitalkingdom.org/~rlpowell/hobbies/lojban/grammar/lojban.peg.txt" tar=
get=3D"_blank">http://users.digitalkingdom.org/~rlpowell/hobbies/lojban/gra=
mmar/lojban.peg.txt</a><br>
(where can I find the file used by camxes?)<br>
There is this rule<br><br>term-1 &lt;- sumti / ( !gek (tag / FA-clause free=
*) (sumti / KU-clause? free*) ) / termset / NA-clause KU-clause free*<br><b=
r><br>I don&#39;t have a firm grasp of formal grammars, so correct me if I =
am wrong.<br>

<br>1. This rule is relevant.<br>2. If we make the KU-clause mandatory, ins=
tead of optional, my mental grammar is realized.<br><br>term-1 &lt;- sumti =
/ ( !gek (tag / FA-clause free*) (sumti / KU-clause free*) ) / termset / NA=
-clause KU-clause free*<br>
</div></div></div></div></blockquote><div><br></div><div>That&#39;s one way=
 of dealing with it, although for my taste it has the disadvantage of makin=
g a terminator non-elidable, which is exceptional. Also, because of the sil=
ly restrictions on compound tags, you would have to be very aware of which =
tags can be combined without ku and which strings of tags would require ku =
insertions to make them work.</div>
<div><br></div><div>The way I would rather do it is:</div><div><br></div><d=
iv>term-1 &lt;- sumti / ( !gek (tag !selbri-1 / FA-clause free*) (sumti / K=
U-clause? free*) ) / termset / NA-clause KU-clause free*<br></div></div>
<br></div><div class=3D"gmail_extra">which means that the tag will not be a=
bsorbed as a term if it&#39;s directly followed by a selbri-1 (in which cas=
e it will be absorbed by the selbri rule),</div><div class=3D"gmail_extra">
<br></div><div class=3D"gmail_extra">mu&#39;o mi&#39;e xorxes</div><div cla=
ss=3D"gmail_extra"><br></div></div>

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