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Subject: About the difference in different semantic classifications (was:
 [lojban] "salty")
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Once there was a question what organisms belong to {curnu}.
The answer is that even snaked might be called "worms". If you don't like
it invent a new classification.

A more convincing example are words for taste:
We can classify substances into: acids, alkali, sugars, salts etc.
And we can classify them into: sweet, sour, umami, salty ...

They are completely different and almost never intersect.
Almost.
Because "salty" coincides with "alkali" as alkali can be made the prototype
of salty taste. Thus we need the same word for both classifications.


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From: Michael Turniansky <mturniansky@gmail.com>
Date: Thu, Jan 9, 2014 at 6:35 PM
Subject: Re: [lojban] "salty"
To: lojban@googlegroups.com


  I also completely dislike the idea of adding experimental gismu, at least
until baseline is finally lifted  (and even then, in most cases), except in
cases where absolutely necessary (and sarni and salni ain't them).  In any
case, your (lorxus'?) original argument is at best specious, because just
like in languages such as English, the default for tersilna is zo'e, which
means, in normal conversation, when you say "ko dunda  lo silna mi" or "lo
rectu cu se vrusi lo ka silna", your listener is going to assume "...be fi
lo sodna be lo ratni be li papa kuku joi lo kliru be lo ratni be li paze",
unless you specify otherwise, or you are working in lab with e.g. radium
salts, or your listener is insane.

    There is really no need for people to always try to complicate matters
by multiplying gismu (or using overly precise lujvo or fu'ivla) when not
necessary,

                  --gejyspa

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<div dir=3D"ltr">Once there was a question what organisms belong to {curnu}=
.<div>The answer is that even snaked might be called &quot;worms&quot;. If =
you don&#39;t like it invent a new classification.</div><div><br></div><div=
>
A more convincing example are words for taste:</div><div>We can classify su=
bstances into: acids, alkali, sugars, salts etc.</div><div>And we can class=
ify them into: sweet, sour, umami, salty ...<br></div><div><br></div><div>
They are completely different and almost never intersect.</div><div>Almost.=
<br></div><div>Because &quot;salty&quot; coincides with &quot;alkali&quot; =
as alkali can be made the prototype of salty taste. Thus we need the same w=
ord for both classifications.</div>
<div><br></div><div><br><div class=3D"gmail_quote">---------- Forwarded mes=
sage ----------<br>From: <b class=3D"gmail_sendername">Michael Turniansky</=
b> <span dir=3D"ltr">&lt;<a href=3D"mailto:mturniansky@gmail.com">mturnians=
ky@gmail.com</a>&gt;</span><br>
Date: Thu, Jan 9, 2014 at 6:35 PM<br>Subject: Re: [lojban] &quot;salty&quot=
;<br>To: <a href=3D"mailto:lojban@googlegroups.com">lojban@googlegroups.com=
</a><br><br><br><div dir=3D"ltr">=A0 I also completely dislike the idea of =
adding experimental gismu, at least until baseline is finally lifted =A0(an=
d even then, in most cases), except in cases where absolutely necessary (an=
d sarni and salni ain&#39;t them). =A0In any case, your (lorxus&#39;?) orig=
inal argument is at best specious, because just like in languages such as E=
nglish, the default for tersilna is zo&#39;e, which means, in normal conver=
sation, when you say &quot;ko dunda =A0lo silna mi&quot; or &quot;lo rectu =
cu se vrusi lo ka silna&quot;, your listener is going to assume &quot;...be=
 fi lo sodna be lo ratni be li papa kuku joi lo kliru=A0be lo ratni be li p=
aze&quot;, unless you specify otherwise, or you are working in lab with e.g=
. radium salts, or your listener is insane. =A0<div>

<br></div><div>=A0 =A0 There is really no need for people to always try to =
complicate matters by multiplying gismu (or using overly precise lujvo or f=
u&#39;ivla) when not necessary,</div><div><br></div><div>=A0 =A0 =A0 =A0 =
=A0 =A0 =A0 =A0 =A0 --gejyspa</div>

<div><br></div></div><div class=3D""><div class=3D"h5">

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