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On Fri, Jan 10, 2014 at 2:58 PM, Wuzzy <almikes@aol.com> wrote:

> What does =93zoi gy..gy=94 quote?
> I could think of these answers:
> (1) =93=94 (empty string (string =3D sequence of characters))
> (2) =93..=94 (two periods)
> (3) =93.=94 (one period)
>
> (1) would be true if both periods are considered to be part of the
> delimeter, therefore, they are part of the Lojban text and not of the
> quoted text.
>

Right.


> (2) would be true if the =93pause periods=94 of Lojban have
> been ommitted. Therefore, the periods must be part of the quoted text.

(3) is a weird case which could be true if one of the =93pause periods=94
> has been ommited, but not the other one. Therefore, there is one period
> left which is therefore part of the quoted text.
>

(2) and (3) are not possible interpretations, because the initial delimiter
word must be followed by a pause (represented either by a space or by a
dot) and the final delimiter word must be preceded by a pause (represented
by either a space or a dot). So the character immediately after the initial
delimiter word (which has to be either a period or a space) is not part of
the quote, and the same applies to the character right in front of the
final delimiter word.

You don't really need to make the dot mandatory, you can just say that the
character immediately following the initial delimiter and the one
immediately preceding the final delimiter are not part of the quote. That
character must always be either a space or a dot. It is also not necessary
to require that the character be repeated when you want to quote the empty
string.

mu'o mi'e xorxes

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<div dir=3D"ltr"><br><div class=3D"gmail_extra"><br><br><div class=3D"gmail=
_quote">On Fri, Jan 10, 2014 at 2:58 PM, Wuzzy <span dir=3D"ltr">&lt;<a hre=
f=3D"mailto:almikes@aol.com" target=3D"_blank">almikes@aol.com</a>&gt;</spa=
n> wrote:<br>
<blockquote class=3D"gmail_quote" style=3D"margin:0 0 0 .8ex;border-left:1p=
x #ccc solid;padding-left:1ex">What does =93zoi gy..gy=94 quote?<br>
I could think of these answers:<br>
(1) =93=94 (empty string (string =3D sequence of characters))<br>
(2) =93..=94 (two periods)<br>
(3) =93.=94 (one period)<br><br>
(1) would be true if both periods are considered to be part of the<br>
delimeter, therefore, they are part of the Lojban text and not of the<br>
quoted text.<br></blockquote><div><br></div><div>Right.</div><div>=A0</div>=
<blockquote class=3D"gmail_quote" style=3D"margin:0 0 0 .8ex;border-left:1p=
x #ccc solid;padding-left:1ex">
(2) would be true if the =93pause periods=94 of Lojban have<br>
been ommitted. Therefore, the periods must be part of the quoted text.=A0</=
blockquote><blockquote class=3D"gmail_quote" style=3D"margin:0 0 0 .8ex;bor=
der-left:1px #ccc solid;padding-left:1ex">(3) is a weird case which could b=
e true if one of the =93pause periods=94<br>

has been ommited, but not the other one. Therefore, there is one period<br>
left which is therefore part of the quoted text.<br></blockquote><div><br><=
/div><div>(2) and (3) are not possible interpretations, because the initial=
 delimiter word must be followed by a pause (represented either by a space =
or by a dot) and the final delimiter word must be preceded by a pause (repr=
esented by either a space or a dot). So the character immediately after the=
 initial delimiter word (which has to be either a period or a space) is not=
 part of the quote, and the same applies to the character right in front of=
 the final delimiter word.</div>
<div><br></div><div>You don&#39;t really need to make the dot mandatory, yo=
u can just say that the character immediately following the initial delimit=
er and the one immediately preceding the final delimiter are not part of th=
e quote. That character must always be either a space or a dot. It is also =
not necessary to require that the character be repeated when you want to qu=
ote the empty string.</div>
<div><br></div><div>mu&#39;o mi&#39;e xorxes</div><div><br></div></div></di=
v></div>

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