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Epilogue: I recently added tsani's definitions of {lerpoi} and
{vlakemlerpoi} to jbovlaste, since I noted no one ever did it.

We currently have three definitions for {lerpoi}. You may wish to vote or
discuss (in a new thread pe'i).

mu'o
mi'e .asiz. no'u la .filipos.


On 14 July 2012 00:53, Jacob Errington <nictytan@gmail.com> wrote:

> {vlale'u} doesn't seem useful, but both {vlakemlerpoi} and {lerpoi} do.
> My proposed definitions of lerpoi and vlakemlerpoi:
>
> #1a .i lo ka lerpoi cu ka ce'u noi fa'ugi lu'a ke'a gi lu'o ke'a lerfu
> ce'u fa'u zi'o zi'o fa'u ce'u cu porsi zi'o zi'o
> "x1 is a character string (sequence of letters) in character set x2
> representing x3."
> porsi2 and porsi3 seem irrelevant. The fa'u-hackage is required,
> because individually the letters-digits-symbols are a part of the
> character set, but as a sequence or mass, aren't. However,
> individually, they don't represent anything, but as a mass, they do.
> The definition can be given with a termset rather than the non-logical
> connective {fa'u}:
> #1b .i lo ka lerpoi cu ka ce'u noi nu'i ge lu'a ke'a ce'u zi'o nu'u gi
> lu'o ke'a zi'o ce'u lerfu cu porsi zi'o zi'o
>
> (for simplicity's sake, I'm not going to give the full gismu-deep
> structure of vlakemlerpoi)
> #2 .i lo ka vlakemlerpoi cu ka ce'u lerpoi ce'u ce'u noi ke'a valsi ce'u
> ce'u
> "x1 is a string in character set x3 representing word x3 meaning x4 in
> language x5."
> or "x1 is the spelling of x3."
>
> mu'o mi'e la tsani
>
> On 13 July 2012 14:31, Felipe Gon=E7alves Assis <felipeg.assis@gmail.com>
> wrote:
> > I see the discussion drifted too much towards the nature of a spelling.
> > As long as the formal character of a spelling makes it practical when
> > spoken, I am satisfied. In that way, lu / lo'u / me'o quotes look equal=
ly
> > fine so far. Furthermore, if different people use different styles, the=
re
> > will be no comprehension difficulty.
> >
> > With regards to the lujvo itself, I don't remember any suggestions or
> > opinions. Are you fine with {vlakemlerpoi}? What would you define as
> > {lerpoi} and {vlalerpoi}?
> >
> > My current opinion is that {lerpoi} is a good candidate for the relevan=
t
> > grammatical concept of lerfu string, {vlale'u} could be a letteral of t=
he
> > kind that appears in words, i.e., a regular letter, and then {vlalerpoi=
}
> > would be a vlale'u string. Leaving {vlakemlerpoi} as a lerfu string tha=
t
> > is associated with an actual word.
> >
> > Do you agree with this? In that case, the decision of how to refer to a
> > spelling could be based on how we want to refer to a lerfu string.
> >
> > mu'o
> > mi'e .asiz.
>

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<div dir=3D"ltr">Epilogue: I recently added tsani&#39;s definitions of {ler=
poi} and {vlakemlerpoi} to jbovlaste, since I noted no one ever did it.<br>=
<br>We currently have three definitions for {lerpoi}. You may wish to vote =
or discuss (in a new thread pe&#39;i).<br>
<br>mu&#39;o<br>mi&#39;e .asiz. no&#39;u la .filipos.<br><div class=3D"gmai=
l_extra"><br><br><div class=3D"gmail_quote">On 14 July 2012 00:53, Jacob Er=
rington <span dir=3D"ltr">&lt;<a href=3D"mailto:nictytan@gmail.com" target=
=3D"_blank">nictytan@gmail.com</a>&gt;</span> wrote:<br>

<blockquote class=3D"gmail_quote" style=3D"margin:0 0 0 .8ex;border-left:1p=
x #ccc solid;padding-left:1ex">{vlale&#39;u} doesn&#39;t seem useful, but b=
oth {vlakemlerpoi} and {lerpoi} do.<br>
My proposed definitions of lerpoi and vlakemlerpoi:<br>
<br>
#1a .i lo ka lerpoi cu ka ce&#39;u noi fa&#39;ugi lu&#39;a ke&#39;a gi lu&#=
39;o ke&#39;a lerfu<br>
ce&#39;u fa&#39;u zi&#39;o zi&#39;o fa&#39;u ce&#39;u cu porsi zi&#39;o zi&=
#39;o<br>
&quot;x1 is a character string (sequence of letters) in character set x2<br=
>
representing x3.&quot;<br>
porsi2 and porsi3 seem irrelevant. The fa&#39;u-hackage is required,<br>
because individually the letters-digits-symbols are a part of the<br>
character set, but as a sequence or mass, aren&#39;t. However,<br>
individually, they don&#39;t represent anything, but as a mass, they do.<br=
>
The definition can be given with a termset rather than the non-logical<br>
connective {fa&#39;u}:<br>
#1b .i lo ka lerpoi cu ka ce&#39;u noi nu&#39;i ge lu&#39;a ke&#39;a ce&#39=
;u zi&#39;o nu&#39;u gi<br>
lu&#39;o ke&#39;a zi&#39;o ce&#39;u lerfu cu porsi zi&#39;o zi&#39;o<br>
<br>
(for simplicity&#39;s sake, I&#39;m not going to give the full gismu-deep<b=
r>
structure of vlakemlerpoi)<br>
#2 .i lo ka vlakemlerpoi cu ka ce&#39;u lerpoi ce&#39;u ce&#39;u noi ke&#39=
;a valsi ce&#39;u ce&#39;u<br>
&quot;x1 is a string in character set x3 representing word x3 meaning x4 in=
<br>
language x5.&quot;<br>
or &quot;x1 is the spelling of x3.&quot;<br>
<br>
mu&#39;o mi&#39;e la tsani<br>
<div><div><br>
On 13 July 2012 14:31, Felipe Gon=E7alves Assis &lt;<a href=3D"mailto:felip=
eg.assis@gmail.com" target=3D"_blank">felipeg.assis@gmail.com</a>&gt; wrote=
:<br>
&gt; I see the discussion drifted too much towards the nature of a spelling=
.<br>
&gt; As long as the formal character of a spelling makes it practical when<=
br>
&gt; spoken, I am satisfied. In that way, lu / lo&#39;u / me&#39;o quotes l=
ook equally<br>
&gt; fine so far. Furthermore, if different people use different styles, th=
ere<br>
&gt; will be no comprehension difficulty.<br>
&gt;<br>
&gt; With regards to the lujvo itself, I don&#39;t remember any suggestions=
 or<br>
&gt; opinions. Are you fine with {vlakemlerpoi}? What would you define as<b=
r>
&gt; {lerpoi} and {vlalerpoi}?<br>
&gt;<br>
&gt; My current opinion is that {lerpoi} is a good candidate for the releva=
nt<br>
&gt; grammatical concept of lerfu string, {vlale&#39;u} could be a letteral=
 of the<br>
&gt; kind that appears in words, i.e., a regular letter, and then {vlalerpo=
i}<br>
&gt; would be a vlale&#39;u string. Leaving {vlakemlerpoi} as a lerfu strin=
g that<br>
&gt; is associated with an actual word.<br>
&gt;<br>
&gt; Do you agree with this? In that case, the decision of how to refer to =
a<br>
&gt; spelling could be based on how we want to refer to a lerfu string.<br>
&gt;<br>
&gt; mu&#39;o<br>
&gt; mi&#39;e .asiz.<br>


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