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Subject: Re: [lojban] [oz] la maxpre
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I have read alis, and wouldn't use {la} any different.

One thing that stood out for me in oz is the use of {la} to refer to
bunches of individuals, such as {la maxpre} being used to refer to
Munchkins in general, as well as to the Munchkins Dorothy first finds after
landing in Oz. Similarly for {la .kalid=C4=81s.}.

I agree with Pierre that {la maxpre} should never be "the Munchkin" or
"some Munchkins", but instead "Munchkin", unless
it is a common name shared by all these folks, like "Joe Munchkin", "Paul
Munchkin", "Mary Munchkin", etc.

mu'o
mi'e .asiz.

On 6 January 2014 22:10, Pierre Abbat <phma@leaf.dragonflybsd.org> wrote:

> I think that should be "lo maxpre". Is anyone named Munchkin? It may be
> capitalized in English, but the translation of "the Frenchman" is "le
> fraso",
> not "la fraso". The latter would be "Mr. French".
>
> Pierre
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On 12 January 2014 20:37, selpa'i <seladwa@gmx.de> wrote:

> la .asiz. cu cusku di'e
>
>> I am also curious about the use of gadri in the text. To be honest, I
>> have basically been ignoring what gadri you use since the first such use
>> of {la maxpre}.
>>
>
> The only gadri I ever use are {lo} and {la}.
>
> I always use {lo} unless it's one of the main characters {la cpitepygau},
> {la cinfo} or {la tinci mudypre} because it sets them apart from other
> individuals who could be described with the same predicate. For example,
> there are other scarecrows mentioned in the text, but they are not the
> Scarecrow. For these main characters, what they are *is* their name. (Thi=
s
> is similar to Alice in Wonderland, cf. e.g. Rabbit - {la ractu}).
>
> There are some other things which are sort of proper names in the English
> text, and there I use {la} as well. Basically a capitalization in the
> English corresponds to a {la} in the Lojban.
>
> There might be some inconsistencies here and there, but that's the genera=
l
> idea.
>
> mi'e la selpa'i mu'o
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<div dir=3D"ltr"><div><div>I have read alis, and wouldn&#39;t use {la} any =
different.<br><br></div>One thing that stood out for me in oz is the use of=
 {la} to refer to bunches of individuals, such as {la maxpre} being used to=
 refer to Munchkins in general, as well as to the Munchkins Dorothy first f=
inds after landing in Oz. Similarly for {la .kalid=C4=81s.}.<br>
<br></div>I agree with Pierre that {la maxpre} should never be &quot;the Mu=
nchkin&quot; or &quot;some Munchkins&quot;, but instead &quot;Munchkin&quot=
;, unless<br><div>
<div>it is a common name shared by all these folks, like &quot;Joe Munchkin=
&quot;, &quot;Paul Munchkin&quot;, &quot;Mary Munchkin&quot;, etc.<br><br><=
/div><div>mu&#39;o<br>mi&#39;e .asiz.<br></div><div><br><div class=3D"gmail=
_extra">
<div class=3D"gmail_quote">On 6 January 2014 22:10, Pierre Abbat <span dir=
=3D"ltr">&lt;<a href=3D"mailto:phma@leaf.dragonflybsd.org" target=3D"_blank=
">phma@leaf.dragonflybsd.org</a>&gt;</span> wrote:<br><blockquote class=3D"=
gmail_quote" style=3D"margin:0px 0px 0px 0.8ex;border-left:1px solid rgb(20=
4,204,204);padding-left:1ex">

I think that should be &quot;lo maxpre&quot;. Is anyone named Munchkin? It =
may be<br>
capitalized in English, but the translation of &quot;the Frenchman&quot; is=
 &quot;le fraso&quot;,<br>
not &quot;la fraso&quot;. The latter would be &quot;Mr. French&quot;.<br>
<br>
Pierre<br>
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iv class=3D"gmail_extra"><br><br><div class=3D"gmail_quote">On 12 January 2=
014 20:37, selpa&#39;i <span dir=3D"ltr">&lt;<a href=3D"mailto:seladwa@gmx.=
de" target=3D"_blank">seladwa@gmx.de</a>&gt;</span> wrote:<br>
<blockquote class=3D"gmail_quote" style=3D"margin:0 0 0 .8ex;border-left:1p=
x #ccc solid;padding-left:1ex">la .asiz. cu cusku di&#39;e<br>
<blockquote class=3D"gmail_quote" style=3D"margin:0 0 0 .8ex;border-left:1p=
x #ccc solid;padding-left:1ex">
I am also curious about the use of gadri in the text. To be honest, I<br>
have basically been ignoring what gadri you use since the first such use<br=
>
of {la maxpre}.<br>
</blockquote>
<br>
The only gadri I ever use are {lo} and {la}.<br>
<br>
I always use {lo} unless it&#39;s one of the main characters {la cpitepygau=
}, {la cinfo} or {la tinci mudypre} because it sets them apart from other i=
ndividuals who could be described with the same predicate. For example, the=
re are other scarecrows mentioned in the text, but they are not the Scarecr=
ow. For these main characters, what they are *is* their name. (This is simi=
lar to Alice in Wonderland, cf. e.g. Rabbit - {la ractu}).<br>

<br>
There are some other things which are sort of proper names in the English t=
ext, and there I use {la} as well. Basically a capitalization in the Englis=
h corresponds to a {la} in the Lojban.<br>
<br>
There might be some inconsistencies here and there, but that&#39;s the gene=
ral idea.<br>
<br>
mi&#39;e la selpa&#39;i mu&#39;o<span class=3D"HOEnZb"><font color=3D"#8888=
88"><br>
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