Received: from mail-pa0-f60.google.com ([209.85.220.60]:58973) by stodi.digitalkingdom.org with esmtps (TLSv1:RC4-SHA:128) (Exim 4.80.1) (envelope-from ) id 1W3BX0-0005WG-2J for lojban-list-archive@lojban.org; Tue, 14 Jan 2014 13:28:25 -0800 Received: by mail-pa0-f60.google.com with SMTP id fb1sf32816pad.5 for ; Tue, 14 Jan 2014 13:28:12 -0800 (PST) DKIM-Signature: v=1; a=rsa-sha256; c=relaxed/relaxed; d=googlegroups.com; s=20120806; h=mime-version:in-reply-to:references:date:message-id:subject:from:to :x-original-sender:x-original-authentication-results:reply-to :precedence:mailing-list:list-id:list-post:list-help:list-archive :sender:list-subscribe:list-unsubscribe:content-type; bh=Kx2y842EXHGf3UqFHDHBFkzU0WM9y6fLF9TtTZKiMVs=; b=WDqn3D80fIHhLhTHkqF6rNYioVDUpaCULVmuSqLDci474OKoO0krxU9wrhrxlviuHd J3aPCjAh4m2pnGCNU9z0IGb5GrOYfEz/a2rSHVoBjErJZ85jREGppUbQ1scYbvrBG9Cw bLjwCgoGJLUwsqeicZ0Vwb5uOOKtOAxSmqbC+n7VhKK2ZM2MzBON76dXJH8SZk3krhds G8e1YCdCcJGx37kAeepLjs5v7QE/pbY7+nt+eDPC4sVkwGBQ4GZhnrWepWyKLjYx5eL+ IWxvwPZCmPvy77g3vTvTpzUTUKJ2vi7zJZ+WueyMYdRW7IOgwT7Y5VTrGcBEEXXuEA0K rBLw== X-Received: by 10.49.82.45 with SMTP id f13mr78067qey.20.1389734892075; Tue, 14 Jan 2014 13:28:12 -0800 (PST) X-BeenThere: lojban@googlegroups.com Received: by 10.49.17.196 with SMTP id q4ls290165qed.11.gmail; Tue, 14 Jan 2014 13:28:11 -0800 (PST) X-Received: by 10.236.93.230 with SMTP id l66mr245474yhf.10.1389734891845; Tue, 14 Jan 2014 13:28:11 -0800 (PST) Received: from mail-qc0-x22e.google.com (mail-qc0-x22e.google.com [2607:f8b0:400d:c01::22e]) by gmr-mx.google.com with ESMTPS id x7si970061qcn.1.2014.01.14.13.28.11 for (version=TLSv1 cipher=ECDHE-RSA-RC4-SHA bits=128/128); Tue, 14 Jan 2014 13:28:11 -0800 (PST) Received-SPF: pass (google.com: domain of mturniansky@gmail.com designates 2607:f8b0:400d:c01::22e as permitted sender) client-ip=2607:f8b0:400d:c01::22e; Received: by mail-qc0-f174.google.com with SMTP id x13so206966qcv.19 for ; Tue, 14 Jan 2014 13:28:11 -0800 (PST) MIME-Version: 1.0 X-Received: by 10.224.167.143 with SMTP id q15mr6735807qay.97.1389734891567; Tue, 14 Jan 2014 13:28:11 -0800 (PST) Received: by 10.96.161.99 with HTTP; Tue, 14 Jan 2014 13:28:11 -0800 (PST) In-Reply-To: <53390051.0UcaJT09yg@caracal> References: <1549121.R2mRn75s9T@caracal> <53390051.0UcaJT09yg@caracal> Date: Tue, 14 Jan 2014 16:28:11 -0500 Message-ID: Subject: Re: [lojban] trapdoor From: Michael Turniansky To: lojban@googlegroups.com X-Original-Sender: mturniansky@gmail.com X-Original-Authentication-Results: gmr-mx.google.com; spf=pass (google.com: domain of mturniansky@gmail.com designates 2607:f8b0:400d:c01::22e as permitted sender) smtp.mail=mturniansky@gmail.com; dkim=pass header.i=@gmail.com; dmarc=pass (p=NONE dis=NONE) header.from=gmail.com Reply-To: lojban@googlegroups.com Precedence: list Mailing-list: list lojban@googlegroups.com; contact lojban+owners@googlegroups.com List-ID: X-Google-Group-Id: 1004133512417 List-Post: , List-Help: , List-Archive: Sender: lojban@googlegroups.com List-Subscribe: , List-Unsubscribe: , Content-Type: multipart/alternative; boundary=089e0149ce008b528904eff4debf X-Spam-Score: 0.0 (/) X-Spam_score: 0.0 X-Spam_score_int: 0 X-Spam_bar: / --089e0149ce008b528904eff4debf Content-Type: text/plain; charset=UTF-8 I'd be willing to get jargony mataphorical with pavyselyli'u funca,,, (pavselyli'u also works for one-way roads and diodes) --gejyspa On Wed, Dec 25, 2013 at 3:46 PM, Pierre Abbat wrote: > On Wednesday, December 25, 2013 12:39:04 Ian Johnson wrote: > > On Tue, Dec 24, 2013 at 8:08 PM, .arpis. > > > > wrote: > > > {nadyxru facnu}? "hard-to-invert function" > > > > It's not a {fancu}. Pierre means the functionality of a one-way door, > such > > as a trapdoor. > > A trapdoor one-way function is indeed a fancu. The classic example is > raising > a variable number (noi cmima lo se fancu) to a fixed power modulo a > product of > large primes, i.e. RSA. If you know the primes, it's easy to calculate the > inverse function. If you don't, it's computationally infeasible. > > Pierre > -- > ve ka'a ro klaji la .romas. se jmaji > > -- > You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups > "lojban" group. > To unsubscribe from this group and stop receiving emails from it, send an > email to lojban+unsubscribe@googlegroups.com. > To post to this group, send email to lojban@googlegroups.com. > Visit this group at http://groups.google.com/group/lojban. > For more options, visit https://groups.google.com/groups/opt_out. > -- You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups "lojban" group. To unsubscribe from this group and stop receiving emails from it, send an email to lojban+unsubscribe@googlegroups.com. To post to this group, send email to lojban@googlegroups.com. Visit this group at http://groups.google.com/group/lojban. 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I'd be willing to get jargony mataphorical with= =C2=A0pavyselyli'u=C2=A0funca,,,
(pavselyli'u also works = for one-way roads and diodes)
=C2=A0 =C2=A0 =C2=A0 =C2=A0 =C2=A0-= -gejyspa



On Wed, Dec 25, 2013 at 3:46 PM, Pierre = Abbat <phma@bezitopo.org> wrote:
On Wednesday, December 25, 2013 12:39:04 Ian Johnson wrot= e:
> On Tue, Dec 24, 2013 at 8:08 PM, .arpis. <rpglover64+jbobau@gmail.com>
>
> =C2=A0wrote:
> > {nadyxru facnu}? "hard-to-invert function"
>
> It's not a {fancu}. Pierre means the functionality of a one-way do= or, such
> as a trapdoor.

A trapdoor one-way function is indeed a fancu. The classic example is= raising
a variable number (noi cmima lo se fancu) to a fixed power modulo a product= of
large primes, i.e. RSA. If you know the primes, it's easy to calculate = the
inverse function. If you don't, it's computationally infeasible.
Pierre
--
ve ka'a ro klaji la .romas. se jmaji

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