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[212.227.17.20]) by gmr-mx.google.com with ESMTPS id t4si2456832qcl.3.2014.01.16.08.26.31 for (version=TLSv1.2 cipher=ECDHE-RSA-AES128-GCM-SHA256 bits=128/128); Thu, 16 Jan 2014 08:26:31 -0800 (PST) Received-SPF: pass (google.com: domain of seladwa@gmx.de designates 212.227.17.20 as permitted sender) client-ip=212.227.17.20; Received: from [192.168.2.108] ([93.220.123.181]) by mail.gmx.com (mrgmx102) with ESMTPSA (Nemesis) id 0McPvw-1VmIvG12Y4-00HgQd for ; Thu, 16 Jan 2014 17:26:30 +0100 Message-ID: <52D80835.9090107@gmx.de> Date: Thu, 16 Jan 2014 17:26:29 +0100 From: selpa'i User-Agent: Mozilla/5.0 (Windows NT 5.1; rv:24.0) Gecko/20100101 Thunderbird/24.2.0 MIME-Version: 1.0 To: lojban@googlegroups.com Subject: Re: [lojban] The Wonderful Wizard of Oz References: <52B961BE.4050905@gmx.de> <10764454.0r3WdHRqmW@caracal> <52BAC908.6030705@gmx.de> In-Reply-To: X-Provags-ID: V03:K0:zI83ZoHGIE2+P4IERvwSiPRNrllSESGj5NqVWwzrKRPLIpS4VY3 9HGDQcG6f25/G35SlbvCdJLTWTtEuAABJ4WNmBLUFiPVGEm4f6GCMVKEnL/UIucbvCOIlik W9eLWK2QK2E/tlimKrHdZq76CSD4DkI0fdRTOK+6j1Q66kPqn1QwcyqfSxCOtyiLNnuiFB4 QV+TU4LJPaT/k8s3h/XZA== X-Original-Sender: seladwa@gmx.de X-Original-Authentication-Results: gmr-mx.google.com; spf=pass (google.com: domain of seladwa@gmx.de designates 212.227.17.20 as permitted sender) smtp.mail=seladwa@gmx.de Reply-To: lojban@googlegroups.com Precedence: list Mailing-list: list lojban@googlegroups.com; contact lojban+owners@googlegroups.com List-ID: X-Google-Group-Id: 1004133512417 List-Post: , List-Help: , List-Archive: Sender: lojban@googlegroups.com List-Subscribe: , List-Unsubscribe: , Content-Type: text/plain; charset=UTF-8; format=flowed X-Spam-Score: 0.0 (/) X-Spam_score: 0.0 X-Spam_score_int: 0 X-Spam_bar: / la gejyspa cu cusku di'e > Marvelous job (although I have yet to read it, just skimmed it a bit > here and there). But as a fan of all the forty official Oz books (and > many of the noncanonical works,as well) I am curious as to your > assertion that " They always move their jaws around as if they were > chewing". Where does it demonstrate that in the text? I... think it doesn't say that in the text. I recall reading somewhere that that was the reason for their name. Now I can only find a German wiki article http://de.wikipedia.org/wiki/Figuren_des_Zauberlandes#K.C3.A4uer Maybe it's explained in some of the other books or in a movie. I'm not sure it's true, but there is no strong evidence in favor of *any* of the explanations I've heard so far (which I mentioned in the mail you responded to). > Here's a modest suggestion for their name -- macyckin(i) . Calls > to mind the falvor of the original, while having a relevant meaning, for > surely Dorothy marvels at their appearance (and they are in turned awed > by her). That's a cute idea, but will it be easier to understand? It's not even clear that it's referring to a person. What if you haven't read the original? > I see you have kept the original Denslow illustrations, even those > that have drop words and letters, which obviously don't jibe with the > lojban. I'm curious. Did the German edition do that as well I'm actually not aware of any German editions that have illustrations. My grandmother read to me from the German version when I was around 7, but I can't recall having seen any illustrations. mi'e la selpa'i mu'o -- You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups "lojban" group. To unsubscribe from this group and stop receiving emails from it, send an email to lojban+unsubscribe@googlegroups.com. To post to this group, send email to lojban@googlegroups.com. Visit this group at http://groups.google.com/group/lojban. For more options, visit https://groups.google.com/groups/opt_out.