Received: from mail-qe0-f63.google.com ([209.85.128.63]:62954) by stodi.digitalkingdom.org with esmtps (TLSv1:RC4-SHA:128) (Exim 4.80.1) (envelope-from ) id 1W3uLE-0000aY-D0 for lojban-list-archive@lojban.org; Thu, 16 Jan 2014 13:19:24 -0800 Received: by mail-qe0-f63.google.com with SMTP id nc12sf617997qeb.8 for ; Thu, 16 Jan 2014 13:19:01 -0800 (PST) DKIM-Signature: v=1; a=rsa-sha256; c=relaxed/relaxed; d=googlegroups.com; s=20120806; h=mime-version:in-reply-to:references:from:date:message-id:subject:to :x-original-sender:x-original-authentication-results:reply-to :precedence:mailing-list:list-id:list-post:list-help:list-archive :sender:list-subscribe:list-unsubscribe:content-type; bh=c4U9YJgyU6ue2eq/h38FCjF4UF8RK2c6BMaOngGl0Yg=; b=ikp5fRW/aMuxSApEHQ8XxKtf1QitdSt7laOTCct4iRWBKN8FEXQ+bNfpC1NCi8uqGT Xy5BUZuAAzFBZsCGxATgx2nadiKnvK4sqQHrFWPZA8atJc2FYKAuMBK7IA0RXFJwGdHt 05v6QTWOsYl5GDtWyvgePZJQ3Esuz3Vu9UuiFK6MlBk2pCd51zj+nEE99Qh2ZnBhSfFW O36ebwQyhMewtlHFNq+VoPM2I9K7BH7xrtPTWJ5PSPSqWeBFwaeFlumQ+vGAleQA3wCc siagKhlU2dY5FKA4AlCuah5nHgsj0SvwCU3OL5Pt/ixtGcMeyHSj+kfJNAGVxk4jNJs/ dWdw== X-Received: by 10.182.246.133 with SMTP id xw5mr101611obc.14.1389907141574; Thu, 16 Jan 2014 13:19:01 -0800 (PST) X-BeenThere: lojban@googlegroups.com Received: by 10.182.199.9 with SMTP id jg9ls486296obc.49.gmail; Thu, 16 Jan 2014 13:19:01 -0800 (PST) X-Received: by 10.182.22.133 with SMTP id d5mr4195953obf.27.1389907141295; Thu, 16 Jan 2014 13:19:01 -0800 (PST) Received: from mail-oa0-x22c.google.com (mail-oa0-x22c.google.com [2607:f8b0:4003:c02::22c]) by gmr-mx.google.com with ESMTPS id o30si2848738yhn.1.2014.01.16.13.19.01 for (version=TLSv1 cipher=ECDHE-RSA-RC4-SHA bits=128/128); Thu, 16 Jan 2014 13:19:01 -0800 (PST) Received-SPF: pass (google.com: domain of nictytan@gmail.com designates 2607:f8b0:4003:c02::22c as permitted sender) client-ip=2607:f8b0:4003:c02::22c; Received: by mail-oa0-x22c.google.com with SMTP id g12so3591090oah.17 for ; Thu, 16 Jan 2014 13:19:01 -0800 (PST) X-Received: by 10.60.50.105 with SMTP id b9mr9053737oeo.34.1389907141111; Thu, 16 Jan 2014 13:19:01 -0800 (PST) MIME-Version: 1.0 Received: by 10.182.121.200 with HTTP; Thu, 16 Jan 2014 13:18:39 -0800 (PST) In-Reply-To: <0f438513-25ad-4873-993a-ea57be6607de@googlegroups.com> References: <0f438513-25ad-4873-993a-ea57be6607de@googlegroups.com> From: Jacob Errington Date: Thu, 16 Jan 2014 16:18:39 -0500 Message-ID: Subject: Re: [lojban] Scientific Method To: "lojban@googlegroups.com" X-Original-Sender: nictytan@gmail.com X-Original-Authentication-Results: gmr-mx.google.com; spf=pass (google.com: domain of nictytan@gmail.com designates 2607:f8b0:4003:c02::22c as permitted sender) smtp.mail=nictytan@gmail.com; dkim=pass header.i=@gmail.com; dmarc=pass (p=NONE dis=NONE) header.from=gmail.com Reply-To: lojban@googlegroups.com Precedence: list Mailing-list: list lojban@googlegroups.com; contact lojban+owners@googlegroups.com List-ID: X-Google-Group-Id: 1004133512417 List-Post: , List-Help: , List-Archive: Sender: lojban@googlegroups.com List-Subscribe: , List-Unsubscribe: , Content-Type: multipart/alternative; boundary=001a11c1bce86ab95d04f01cf96b X-Spam-Score: 0.0 (/) X-Spam_score: 0.0 X-Spam_score_int: 0 X-Spam_bar: / --001a11c1bce86ab95d04f01cf96b Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1 I propose {skelaltadji}. skelaltadji = x1 is the scientific method used in science x2. More importantly, the (short) lojban definition: .i x1 me lo tadji be lo nu lanli x2 noi saske The unusual part about my proposed lojban definition is the use of {me lo}. I use it here because there is a particular kind of method that we think of when we think of the scientific method. In other words, simply defining it as {x1 tadji lo nu ...} would be far too vague. Of course, a full Lojban definition would require explaning just what it is that the scientific method *is*; my proposed definition obvious doesn't cut it, in that regard. .i mi'e la tsani mu'o On 16 January 2014 11:25, Murdoc wrote: > I tried asking about this in lojban Beginners first in case it has already > been settled, but apparently not. I tried searching this group, and while > one thread came close, it didn't answer my question. > > So my question is this: How do we say "the scientific method" in lojban? > As in: "I used science (as opposed to some other form of epistemology) to > (e.g. determine this conclusion/whatever)." "saske" obviously doesn't cut > it. I'm posting this here hoping others can come up with a solution. Aside > from the fact I'd like to have this word to use, it just seems odd to me > that the "logical language" would leave science out in the cold like this. > Can anyone help? > > -- > You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups > "lojban" group. > To unsubscribe from this group and stop receiving emails from it, send an > email to lojban+unsubscribe@googlegroups.com. > To post to this group, send email to lojban@googlegroups.com. > Visit this group at http://groups.google.com/group/lojban. > For more options, visit https://groups.google.com/groups/opt_out. > -- You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups "lojban" group. To unsubscribe from this group and stop receiving emails from it, send an email to lojban+unsubscribe@googlegroups.com. To post to this group, send email to lojban@googlegroups.com. Visit this group at http://groups.google.com/group/lojban. 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I propose {skelaltadji}.
skelaltadji =3D x1 is the scie= ntific method used in science x2.

More importantly, the (short) lojb= an definition:
.i x1 me lo tadji be lo nu lanli x2 noi saske

The = unusual part about my proposed lojban definition is the use of {me lo}. I u= se it here because there is a particular kind of method that we think of wh= en we think of the scientific method. In other words, simply defining it as= {x1 tadji lo nu ...} would be far too vague. Of course, a full Lojban defi= nition would require explaning just what it is that the scientific method *= is*; my proposed definition obvious doesn't cut it, in that regard.

.i mi'e la tsani mu'o

<= br>
On 16 January 2014 11:25, Murdoc <kolzene@gm= ail.com> wrote:
I tried asking about t= his in lojban Beginners first in case it has already been settled, but appa= rently not. I tried searching this group, and while one thread came close, = it didn't answer my question.

So my question is this: How do we say "the s= cientific method" in lojban? As in: "I used science (as opposed t= o some other form of epistemology) to (e.g. determine this conclusion/whate= ver)." "saske" obviously doesn't cut it. I'm posting= this here hoping others can come up with a solution. Aside from the fact I= 'd like to have this word to use, it just seems odd to me that the &quo= t;logical language" would leave science out in the cold like this. Can= anyone help?

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