Received: from mail-qe0-f64.google.com ([209.85.128.64]:40117) by stodi.digitalkingdom.org with esmtps (TLSv1:RC4-SHA:128) (Exim 4.80.1) (envelope-from ) id 1W3ucp-0000jG-Km for lojban-list-archive@lojban.org; Thu, 16 Jan 2014 13:37:29 -0800 Received: by mail-qe0-f64.google.com with SMTP id b4sf640666qen.19 for ; Thu, 16 Jan 2014 13:37:12 -0800 (PST) DKIM-Signature: v=1; a=rsa-sha256; c=relaxed/relaxed; d=googlegroups.com; s=20120806; h=mime-version:in-reply-to:references:from:date:message-id:subject:to :x-original-sender:x-original-authentication-results:reply-to :precedence:mailing-list:list-id:list-post:list-help:list-archive :sender:list-subscribe:list-unsubscribe:content-type; bh=x2Uao7dSMVgg0R9/K5OAaL32HIaVZJt/F6+J3N+t0Gc=; b=g8jGg3NPhiZ66s0oeehJ6N9X4tvlW5EuLekPF8Ri0yCOPkrf7uGJIRC+xCAFgFOXhl lY7kQfx1E4qsnxQUCLOMEbMTpVeHTNeTtVj8v3qxJqxAumJnK3Q46YNFYrlcDbSS8W0Z ZIEBze7VjkToIc1rA+B8cChWREGcPW9etCS56gogliL5ssr3LR/qvfJb2dVaT1TkyPNK xIo1VC7HfqyWuAHG8lyeG9DA8GA6ArGmcOZJmgZOwp9FyddGjm4BW2wb7proZJyq5CCu dDbxoJyQ9k+eWwNrdUQy8cjzjgeUDGOe1ZF2QZ7LTnxi/Ak3GdhUWKLBiOOjVcHlIaW2 uZdA== X-Received: by 10.50.152.41 with SMTP id uv9mr249186igb.13.1389908232512; Thu, 16 Jan 2014 13:37:12 -0800 (PST) X-BeenThere: lojban@googlegroups.com Received: by 10.50.112.131 with SMTP id iq3ls52272igb.15.gmail; Thu, 16 Jan 2014 13:37:12 -0800 (PST) X-Received: by 10.66.144.228 with SMTP id sp4mr4044528pab.5.1389908232062; Thu, 16 Jan 2014 13:37:12 -0800 (PST) Received: from mail-oa0-x22f.google.com (mail-oa0-x22f.google.com [2607:f8b0:4003:c02::22f]) by gmr-mx.google.com with ESMTPS id k45si2863504yhn.4.2014.01.16.13.37.11 for (version=TLSv1 cipher=ECDHE-RSA-RC4-SHA bits=128/128); Thu, 16 Jan 2014 13:37:12 -0800 (PST) Received-SPF: pass (google.com: domain of nictytan@gmail.com designates 2607:f8b0:4003:c02::22f as permitted sender) client-ip=2607:f8b0:4003:c02::22f; Received: by mail-oa0-f47.google.com with SMTP id m1so2398898oag.34 for ; Thu, 16 Jan 2014 13:37:11 -0800 (PST) X-Received: by 10.182.2.170 with SMTP id 10mr9060453obv.50.1389908231672; Thu, 16 Jan 2014 13:37:11 -0800 (PST) MIME-Version: 1.0 Received: by 10.182.121.200 with HTTP; Thu, 16 Jan 2014 13:36:51 -0800 (PST) In-Reply-To: References: <0f438513-25ad-4873-993a-ea57be6607de@googlegroups.com> From: Jacob Errington Date: Thu, 16 Jan 2014 16:36:51 -0500 Message-ID: Subject: Re: [lojban] Scientific Method To: "lojban@googlegroups.com" X-Original-Sender: nictytan@gmail.com X-Original-Authentication-Results: gmr-mx.google.com; spf=pass (google.com: domain of nictytan@gmail.com designates 2607:f8b0:4003:c02::22f as permitted sender) smtp.mail=nictytan@gmail.com; dkim=pass header.i=@gmail.com; dmarc=pass (p=NONE dis=NONE) header.from=gmail.com Reply-To: lojban@googlegroups.com Precedence: list Mailing-list: list lojban@googlegroups.com; contact lojban+owners@googlegroups.com List-ID: X-Google-Group-Id: 1004133512417 List-Post: , List-Help: , List-Archive: Sender: lojban@googlegroups.com List-Subscribe: , List-Unsubscribe: , Content-Type: multipart/alternative; boundary=f46d0444ea996b588604f01d3abc X-Spam-Score: 0.0 (/) X-Spam_score: 0.0 X-Spam_score_int: 0 X-Spam_bar: / --f46d0444ea996b588604f01d3abc Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1 Ah whoops, {lanli} already includes {tadji} in its x3. I amend my proposed word thus: sketerlanli = x1 is the scientific method used in science x2. .i x1 me lo te lanli be x2 noi saske On 16 January 2014 16:18, Jacob Errington wrote: > I propose {skelaltadji}. > skelaltadji = x1 is the scientific method used in science x2. > > More importantly, the (short) lojban definition: > .i x1 me lo tadji be lo nu lanli x2 noi saske > > The unusual part about my proposed lojban definition is the use of {me > lo}. I use it here because there is a particular kind of method that we > think of when we think of the scientific method. In other words, simply > defining it as {x1 tadji lo nu ...} would be far too vague. Of course, a > full Lojban definition would require explaning just what it is that the > scientific method *is*; my proposed definition obvious doesn't cut it, in > that regard. > > .i mi'e la tsani mu'o > > > On 16 January 2014 11:25, Murdoc wrote: > >> I tried asking about this in lojban Beginners first in case it has >> already been settled, but apparently not. I tried searching this group, and >> while one thread came close, it didn't answer my question. >> >> So my question is this: How do we say "the scientific method" in lojban? >> As in: "I used science (as opposed to some other form of epistemology) to >> (e.g. determine this conclusion/whatever)." "saske" obviously doesn't cut >> it. I'm posting this here hoping others can come up with a solution. Aside >> from the fact I'd like to have this word to use, it just seems odd to me >> that the "logical language" would leave science out in the cold like this. >> Can anyone help? >> >> -- >> You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups >> "lojban" group. >> To unsubscribe from this group and stop receiving emails from it, send an >> email to lojban+unsubscribe@googlegroups.com. >> To post to this group, send email to lojban@googlegroups.com. >> Visit this group at http://groups.google.com/group/lojban. >> For more options, visit https://groups.google.com/groups/opt_out. >> > > -- You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups "lojban" group. To unsubscribe from this group and stop receiving emails from it, send an email to lojban+unsubscribe@googlegroups.com. To post to this group, send email to lojban@googlegroups.com. Visit this group at http://groups.google.com/group/lojban. 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Ah whoops, {lanli} already includes {tadji} in its x3. I a= mend my proposed word thus:

sketerlanli =3D x1 is the scientific met= hod used in science x2.
.i x1 me lo te lanli be x2 noi saske


On 16 January 2014 16:18, Jacob Erringto= n <nictytan@gmail.com> wrote:
I propose {skelaltadji}.
skelaltadji =3D x1 is the scie= ntific method used in science x2.

More importantly, the (short) lojb= an definition:
.i x1 me lo tadji be lo nu lanli x2 noi saske

The = unusual part about my proposed lojban definition is the use of {me lo}. I u= se it here because there is a particular kind of method that we think of wh= en we think of the scientific method. In other words, simply defining it as= {x1 tadji lo nu ...} would be far too vague. Of course, a full Lojban defi= nition would require explaning just what it is that the scientific method *= is*; my proposed definition obvious doesn't cut it, in that regard.

.i mi'e la tsani mu'o


On 16= January 2014 11:25, Murdoc <kolzene@gmail.com> wrote:
I tried asking about t= his in lojban Beginners first in case it has already been settled, but appa= rently not. I tried searching this group, and while one thread came close, = it didn't answer my question.

So my question is this: How do we say "the s= cientific method" in lojban? As in: "I used science (as opposed t= o some other form of epistemology) to (e.g. determine this conclusion/whate= ver)." "saske" obviously doesn't cut it. I'm posting= this here hoping others can come up with a solution. Aside from the fact I= 'd like to have this word to use, it just seems odd to me that the &quo= t;logical language" would leave science out in the cold like this. Can= anyone help?

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