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la .dan. cu cusku di'e
> Interesting!
>
> What would be the semantic difference between {lo SELBRI be TAG SUMTI}
> and {lo SELBRI pe TAG SUMTI}?

I interpret {pe TAG SUMTI} as {poi TAG SUMTI co'e}. So:

lo SELBRI be TAG SUMTI : zo'e noi ke'a SELBRI TAG SUMTI
lo SELBRI pe TAG SUMTI : lo SELBRI poi TAG SUMTI ke'a co'e

The difference can be very minor when {co'e} refers back to the selbri 
to the left of it, but it's also very flexible because it can be vague 
in how the {poi}-clause is related to the SUMTI (the relation being {lo 
ka co'e}). And it works on any sumti, unlike {be}.

   (1) lo mlatu pe ca lo prulamdei cu me lo jbixa'u moi
       "The cat [that we saw] yesterday is the neighbour's [cat]."

Whereas:

   (2) lo mlatu be ca lo prulamdei cu me lo jbixa'u moi
       "The cat that catted yesterday is the neighbour's [cat]."
       (or: "That which was a cat yesterday is the neighbour's [cat].")

So {pe} has a wider semantic range by involving a seperate implicit bridi.

mi'e la selpa'i mu'o

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