Received: from mail-ee0-f61.google.com ([74.125.83.61]:36815) by stodi.digitalkingdom.org with esmtps (TLSv1:RC4-SHA:128) (Exim 4.80.1) (envelope-from ) id 1W7Ck3-0007r1-00 for lojban-list-archive@lojban.org; Sat, 25 Jan 2014 15:34:32 -0800 Received: by mail-ee0-f61.google.com with SMTP id b15sf536351eek.26 for ; Sat, 25 Jan 2014 15:34:16 -0800 (PST) DKIM-Signature: v=1; a=rsa-sha256; c=relaxed/relaxed; d=googlegroups.com; s=20120806; h=message-id:date:from:user-agent:mime-version:to:subject:references :in-reply-to:x-original-sender:x-original-authentication-results :reply-to:precedence:mailing-list:list-id:list-post:list-help :list-archive:sender:list-subscribe:list-unsubscribe:content-type :content-transfer-encoding; bh=g7xS82BZwU/4mXOuUl0iEwWclB+S5YEHtAsKzDVEgJQ=; b=OV+cFMKxUS0ck007zO+hIQGqa5tTLqq1m2jTQ3bblMsqAqQwu+MjXlJh3ZEZxsU2Vl 4u3DBo3aDPiBW8C+E8HezgbSLewU9aP+AHqFMTmnYrb0CRHZ4joFHFpCN5w0Caw2Rd30 MVnMo9MKSF9XHyO5T1kQLAS03Vk8O8QXJCVcjXTDDSOup8SKpKzPOeOtQJQzNhA2zbtr Y7QdTtFW86dTlKWeDxmvbSHmXsawehAWmXU0iT+SZLoq1Uac7VPDVM36E5T4qtNtBmZa C7z1a/oMVaBNgjL0rX055IhS6jWDJ+Q0t434FPld2e8rECEgoseGeTg3CTkaqRdrrUw7 9Bmg== X-Received: by 10.180.38.114 with SMTP id f18mr154748wik.4.1390692855833; Sat, 25 Jan 2014 15:34:15 -0800 (PST) X-BeenThere: lojban@googlegroups.com Received: by 10.180.206.169 with SMTP id lp9ls639153wic.4.gmail; Sat, 25 Jan 2014 15:34:15 -0800 (PST) X-Received: by 10.14.198.132 with SMTP id v4mr11190209een.6.1390692855163; Sat, 25 Jan 2014 15:34:15 -0800 (PST) Received: from mout.gmx.net (mout.gmx.net. [212.227.15.19]) by gmr-mx.google.com with ESMTPS id c48si2149130eeb.1.2014.01.25.15.34.15 for (version=TLSv1.2 cipher=ECDHE-RSA-AES128-GCM-SHA256 bits=128/128); Sat, 25 Jan 2014 15:34:15 -0800 (PST) Received-SPF: pass (google.com: domain of seladwa@gmx.de designates 212.227.15.19 as permitted sender) client-ip=212.227.15.19; Received: from [192.168.2.108] ([93.220.86.234]) by mail.gmx.com (mrgmx002) with ESMTPSA (Nemesis) id 0MJSLz-1WADoT2uPj-0032kN for ; Sun, 26 Jan 2014 00:34:14 +0100 Message-ID: <52E449FD.90002@gmx.de> Date: Sun, 26 Jan 2014 00:34:21 +0100 From: selpa'i User-Agent: Mozilla/5.0 (Windows NT 5.1; rv:24.0) Gecko/20100101 Thunderbird/24.2.0 MIME-Version: 1.0 To: lojban@googlegroups.com Subject: Re: [lojban] [oz] {binxo} References: In-Reply-To: X-Provags-ID: V03:K0:Lh1L/vl3TAm3Nh34OoPA6NVLMl51ysREkBwYlZp3nF0kT3Z9dha aXENvMbjQDZSEb8wgcsz191nR7hqqrVn++mA7cycLP9UvO7GyvS/7LRusfvRZvuW4o1rYg2 3NBxaqfJYKWELWeC/dzv+rMvIERQjyPhCik2jBUpTXsvc0/T0Zk8EJOo3LHYfoF2pGkc4QM a//QOK3aSM9vNDajxZvcg== X-Original-Sender: seladwa@gmx.de X-Original-Authentication-Results: gmr-mx.google.com; spf=pass (google.com: domain of seladwa@gmx.de designates 212.227.15.19 as permitted sender) smtp.mail=seladwa@gmx.de Reply-To: lojban@googlegroups.com Precedence: list Mailing-list: list lojban@googlegroups.com; contact lojban+owners@googlegroups.com List-ID: X-Google-Group-Id: 1004133512417 List-Post: , List-Help: , List-Archive: Sender: lojban@googlegroups.com List-Subscribe: , List-Unsubscribe: , Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1; format=flowed Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable X-Spam-Score: 0.0 (/) X-Spam_score: 0.0 X-Spam_score_int: 0 X-Spam_bar: / la .asiz. cu cusku di'e > I noticed you sometimes use a property as binxo2, and sometimes a > concrete object. I know you make use of overloading (or polymorphism), > but I couldn't understand what your particular interpretation of each > version of {binxo} is that makes you sometimes use one version and > sometimes another. I think I use them more or less interchangeably, but one is often more=20 convenient than the other. With a concrete object, it means that one thing turns into another, as in: > (7) {lo m=E0pku cu b=ECnxo lo t=E0nbo} "The cap turned into a board." It's just *really* useful to be able to say that. With a property it means "to begin to have a property" or "to undergo a=20 change towards having a property". I'm not sure which one I would pick if I had to choose one over the=20 other as the only acceptable binxo2. I think I might lean towards the=20 concrete object version, however. The other one could still be accessed=20 via {kairbi'o} =3D {binxo lo ckaji be lo ka}, while the exremely useful=20 {binxo lo mlatu} would remain correct. mi'e la selpa'i mu'o --=20 You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups "= lojban" group. To unsubscribe from this group and stop receiving emails from it, send an e= mail to lojban+unsubscribe@googlegroups.com. To post to this group, send email to lojban@googlegroups.com. Visit this group at http://groups.google.com/group/lojban. For more options, visit https://groups.google.com/groups/opt_out.