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la .asiz. cu cusku di'e
> That was my bet, but then I find examples (3) and (4) quite odd. Are you
> sure you didn't want to use properties there?

Yes, properties would be less clumsy there.

> By the way, what do you think about the idea of using {co'a} to replace
> property-binxo? People tend to associate {co'a} with processes, but
> there is no reason to limit its scope like that.

Sure, {co'a} is often enough, and I use it a lot myself. It just lacks 
the sense of transformation that I get from {binxo}.

I would say that {ro nu binxo lo ka broda cu nu co'a broda .i ku'i na ku 
ro nu co'a broda cu nu binxo lo ka broda}. That is, to me, {binxo} is 
about an experiencer undergoing a change (where experiencer should be 
understood loosely in the thematic role sense. Certainly a binxo1 need 
not be sentient); it is making a claim specifically about the binxo1. 
{co'a} on the other hand just says that some event starts to occur, with 
no focus on any of its parts. That's why I don't consider them the same, 
but as I said, {co'a} is always true when {binxo} is, though not 
vice-versa. The difference is often subtle or completely invisible, but 
sometimes it isn't.

mi'e la selpa'i

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