Received: from mail-ea0-f192.google.com ([209.85.215.192]:37450) by stodi.digitalkingdom.org with esmtps (TLSv1:RC4-SHA:128) (Exim 4.80.1) (envelope-from ) id 1W7J05-0000WP-UT for lojban-list-archive@lojban.org; Sat, 25 Jan 2014 22:15:32 -0800 Received: by mail-ea0-f192.google.com with SMTP id n15sf571113ead.29 for ; Sat, 25 Jan 2014 22:15:14 -0800 (PST) DKIM-Signature: v=1; a=rsa-sha256; c=relaxed/relaxed; d=googlegroups.com; s=20120806; h=mime-version:in-reply-to:references:date:message-id:subject:from:to :x-original-sender:x-original-authentication-results:reply-to :precedence:mailing-list:list-id:list-post:list-help:list-archive :sender:list-subscribe:list-unsubscribe:content-type; bh=rRIzHuz0tSoDsibU5ohJ1WtcvOgqya9rSspFsTd4YG0=; b=vXYG1ZeeEFYDmrx8H6q/iJWGrojvpOuAuzlo4ze8wQlgspp53JlJOn9v5uyHasAZa4 85FToPNcIOpkBYM6peUx5yWtu7Aio7D8QmPEPcCBqtdikuINIJ8IBIo/BKfBKRwEMxbZ vf+IsMyj8G5A/ygFTXTL7UmmM0pJpjAwrKfMK07mNskc+KN3vSN2gwZuNN23fg/w0NY0 6O2yTG6YdaCSq9XQV1RoFWbO35+xbfEJBKiNEfF/rx0lss8l8vxF5PPVBAUjNuVtpDCE nR6B2WOEKL+cwiWj8U3XtWIeOkfEPG0V1hEmgJC9R70PDBdEnIkbazUjpYP8SEN5AUBN YEOw== X-Received: by 10.180.95.9 with SMTP id dg9mr158183wib.11.1390716914688; Sat, 25 Jan 2014 22:15:14 -0800 (PST) X-BeenThere: lojban@googlegroups.com Received: by 10.180.86.169 with SMTP id q9ls684521wiz.49.canary; Sat, 25 Jan 2014 22:15:13 -0800 (PST) X-Received: by 10.204.53.11 with SMTP id k11mr6064230bkg.6.1390716913942; Sat, 25 Jan 2014 22:15:13 -0800 (PST) Received: from mail-wg0-x233.google.com (mail-wg0-x233.google.com [2a00:1450:400c:c00::233]) by gmr-mx.google.com with ESMTPS id rk7si2530275bkb.2.2014.01.25.22.15.13 for (version=TLSv1 cipher=ECDHE-RSA-RC4-SHA bits=128/128); Sat, 25 Jan 2014 22:15:13 -0800 (PST) Received-SPF: pass (google.com: domain of gleki.is.my.name@gmail.com designates 2a00:1450:400c:c00::233 as permitted sender) client-ip=2a00:1450:400c:c00::233; Received: by mail-wg0-x233.google.com with SMTP id z12so4461702wgg.30 for ; Sat, 25 Jan 2014 22:15:13 -0800 (PST) MIME-Version: 1.0 X-Received: by 10.180.79.73 with SMTP id h9mr6205798wix.3.1390716913640; Sat, 25 Jan 2014 22:15:13 -0800 (PST) Received: by 10.194.82.135 with HTTP; Sat, 25 Jan 2014 22:15:13 -0800 (PST) In-Reply-To: References: Date: Sun, 26 Jan 2014 10:15:13 +0400 Message-ID: Subject: Re: [lojban] [oz] {ka'e} vs. {su'o mu'ei} From: Gleki Arxokuna To: lojban@googlegroups.com X-Original-Sender: gleki.is.my.name@gmail.com X-Original-Authentication-Results: gmr-mx.google.com; spf=pass (google.com: domain of gleki.is.my.name@gmail.com designates 2a00:1450:400c:c00::233 as permitted sender) smtp.mail=gleki.is.my.name@gmail.com; dkim=pass header.i=@gmail.com; dmarc=pass (p=NONE dis=NONE) header.from=gmail.com Reply-To: lojban@googlegroups.com Precedence: list Mailing-list: list lojban@googlegroups.com; contact lojban+owners@googlegroups.com List-ID: X-Google-Group-Id: 1004133512417 List-Post: , List-Help: , List-Archive: Sender: lojban@googlegroups.com List-Subscribe: , List-Unsubscribe: , Content-Type: multipart/alternative; boundary=f46d041825e29eed6804f0d9837d X-Spam-Score: 0.0 (/) X-Spam_score: 0.0 X-Spam_score_int: 0 X-Spam_bar: / --f46d041825e29eed6804f0d9837d Content-Type: text/plain; charset=UTF-8 Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable I dont want to explain my views on subjunctives now but here is one of the interpretations of {ka'e} which is not exactly what {su'omu'ei} means: http://students.cec.wustl.edu/~adam/lojban/mlismu/fatci.txt On Sun, Jan 26, 2014 at 7:58 AM, Felipe Gon=C3=A7alves Assis < felipeg.assis@gmail.com> wrote: > coi la selpa'i > > You use {mu'ei} exactly once in the whole translation: > {no da po'u na'e bo lo tolv=C3=ACrnu be mu'u mi cu su'o mu'ei p=C3=A8ns= i lo nu > b=C3=A0tci lo tai cm=C3=A0lu} (lion speaking) > > Is it purely stylistic (more syllables can be more emphatic, or it may be > the lion's style), or do you by any chance make a distinction between > {ka'e} and {su'o mu'ei}, or between {bi'ai} and {ro mu'ei}? > > mu'o mi'e .asiz. > > -- > You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups > "lojban" group. > To unsubscribe from this group and stop receiving emails from it, send an > email to lojban+unsubscribe@googlegroups.com. > To post to this group, send email to lojban@googlegroups.com. > Visit this group at http://groups.google.com/group/lojban. > For more options, visit https://groups.google.com/groups/opt_out. > --=20 You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups "= lojban" group. To unsubscribe from this group and stop receiving emails from it, send an e= mail to lojban+unsubscribe@googlegroups.com. To post to this group, send email to lojban@googlegroups.com. Visit this group at http://groups.google.com/group/lojban. For more options, visit https://groups.google.com/groups/opt_out. --f46d041825e29eed6804f0d9837d Content-Type: text/html; charset=UTF-8 Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable
I dont want to explain my views on subjunctives now but he= re is one of the interpretations of {ka'e} which is not exactly what {s= u'omu'ei} means:
http://students.cec.wustl.edu/~adam/lojban/mlismu/= fatci.txt



On = Sun, Jan 26, 2014 at 7:58 AM, Felipe Gon=C3=A7alves Assis <felipeg.a= ssis@gmail.com> wrote:
coi la selpa'i
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You use {mu'ei} exactly once in the whole translation:
=C2=A0 {n= o da po'u na'e bo lo tolv=C3=ACrnu be mu'u mi cu su'o mu= 9;ei p=C3=A8nsi lo nu b=C3=A0tci lo tai cm=C3=A0lu} (lion speaking)

Is it purely stylistic (more syllables can be more emphatic, or it may = be the lion's style), or do you by any chance make a distinction betwee= n {ka'e} and=C2=A0 {su'o mu'ei}, or between {bi'ai} and {ro= mu'ei}?

mu'o mi'e .asiz.=

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