Received: from mail-bk0-f64.google.com ([209.85.214.64]:61973) by stodi.digitalkingdom.org with esmtps (TLSv1:RC4-SHA:128) (Exim 4.80.1) (envelope-from ) id 1W7RQ0-0002pR-7X for lojban-list-archive@lojban.org; Sun, 26 Jan 2014 07:14:54 -0800 Received: by mail-bk0-f64.google.com with SMTP id mz11sf623873bkb.29 for ; Sun, 26 Jan 2014 07:14:32 -0800 (PST) DKIM-Signature: v=1; a=rsa-sha256; c=relaxed/relaxed; d=googlegroups.com; s=20120806; h=mime-version:date:message-id:subject:from:to:x-original-sender :x-original-authentication-results:reply-to:precedence:mailing-list :list-id:list-post:list-help:list-archive:sender:list-subscribe :list-unsubscribe:content-type; bh=2n33XDDzW+fuP/M9PT0WJf/xs+lioJeTU8PdnvyF2bk=; b=yVVWTlgfVVZtK+tUXOojhVeoZK9NEXebiaxYK6ZA0pqqj8EmxyfDDmdLz7NvC0d8zN bcDw/ECG2Vn38Hy+X4y/mWWiYaJFa8NI3mewmJOgzqhE7gSFa5Jota1P5GZyx5L3NKVs qSryV0VWekivl5g+tmOts94aQe/WHb/n9Pl42K732WqBxfMnbBY3I7BqNLjzwL6pXW3g Uslf9hKgyelg22Ntia29DzarU796K3/apM84CBpUCXFMjW4UD+AHm2DShhcFeRqTH24t ose2ImMwilTjpLBqfMQz8/GZ9YRjU1pMNS8ddO2Z03QiKXMjOfJLvh2nEvRCJ2p3ZdEk egqA== X-Received: by 10.152.121.100 with SMTP id lj4mr282lab.37.1390749272383; Sun, 26 Jan 2014 07:14:32 -0800 (PST) X-BeenThere: lojban@googlegroups.com Received: by 10.152.19.132 with SMTP id f4ls11261lae.100.gmail; Sun, 26 Jan 2014 07:14:32 -0800 (PST) X-Received: by 10.152.216.35 with SMTP id on3mr13103271lac.6.1390749272013; Sun, 26 Jan 2014 07:14:32 -0800 (PST) Received: from mail-ig0-x22d.google.com (mail-ig0-x22d.google.com [2607:f8b0:4001:c05::22d]) by gmr-mx.google.com with ESMTPS id th6si3481569bkb.1.2014.01.26.07.14.31 for (version=TLSv1 cipher=ECDHE-RSA-RC4-SHA bits=128/128); Sun, 26 Jan 2014 07:14:31 -0800 (PST) Received-SPF: pass (google.com: domain of felipeg.assis@gmail.com designates 2607:f8b0:4001:c05::22d as permitted sender) client-ip=2607:f8b0:4001:c05::22d; Received: by mail-ig0-f173.google.com with SMTP id c10so6837673igq.0 for ; Sun, 26 Jan 2014 07:14:30 -0800 (PST) MIME-Version: 1.0 X-Received: by 10.43.98.202 with SMTP id cp10mr18441552icc.28.1390749270721; Sun, 26 Jan 2014 07:14:30 -0800 (PST) Received: by 10.64.223.168 with HTTP; Sun, 26 Jan 2014 07:14:30 -0800 (PST) Date: Sun, 26 Jan 2014 13:14:30 -0200 Message-ID: Subject: [lojban] [oz] {ny poi cy ke'a falcru} From: =?ISO-8859-1?Q?Felipe_Gon=E7alves_Assis?= To: lojban@googlegroups.com X-Original-Sender: felipeg.assis@gmail.com X-Original-Authentication-Results: gmr-mx.google.com; spf=pass (google.com: domain of felipeg.assis@gmail.com designates 2607:f8b0:4001:c05::22d as permitted sender) smtp.mail=felipeg.assis@gmail.com; dkim=pass header.i=@gmail.com; dmarc=pass (p=NONE dis=NONE) header.from=gmail.com Reply-To: lojban@googlegroups.com Precedence: list Mailing-list: list lojban@googlegroups.com; contact lojban+owners@googlegroups.com List-ID: X-Google-Group-Id: 1004133512417 List-Post: , List-Help: , List-Archive: Sender: lojban@googlegroups.com List-Subscribe: , List-Unsubscribe: , Content-Type: multipart/alternative; boundary=bcaec517191140cb2104f0e10caf X-Spam-Score: 0.0 (/) X-Spam_score: 0.0 X-Spam_score_int: 0 X-Spam_bar: / --bcaec517191140cb2104f0e10caf Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1 Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable The full passage is: {lo n=E0rge cu tai cm=E0lu .i ja'e bo ny poi cy ke'a f=E0lcru cu ja'a ru'= e se zm=E0mei ny poi cy ke'a p=F9nji lo l=E0nka} Here, {ny poi cy ke'a falcru}, clearly means something equivalent to either {lo narge poi cy ke'a falcru} or to what I would write as {lo me ny poi cy ke'a falcru}. To me, an anaphoric expression always has exactly the same referent as the antecedent. What do you think? doi la selpa'i, what is your idea behind this usage? Do you think the anaphora just occurs at the superficial textual level, so that {ny} would be equivalent to {lo narge}? Or do you think that {ko'a poi broda} is meaningful in general, so that {ko'a} can in effect refer to a strict part of ko'a, i.e, as in {lo me ko'a}? mu'o mi'e .asiz. --=20 You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups "= lojban" group. To unsubscribe from this group and stop receiving emails from it, send an e= mail to lojban+unsubscribe@googlegroups.com. To post to this group, send email to lojban@googlegroups.com. Visit this group at http://groups.google.com/group/lojban. For more options, visit https://groups.google.com/groups/opt_out. --bcaec517191140cb2104f0e10caf Content-Type: text/html; charset=ISO-8859-1 Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable
The full passage is:
=A0 {lo n=E0rge cu = tai cm=E0lu .i ja'e bo ny poi cy ke'a f=E0lcru cu ja'a ru'e= se zm=E0mei ny poi cy ke'a p=F9nji lo l=E0nka}

Here, {ny poi cy= ke'a falcru}, clearly means=20 something equivalent to either {lo narge poi cy ke'a falcru} or to what= I would write as {lo me ny poi cy ke'a falcru}. To me, an anaphoric expr= ession always has exactly the same referent as the antecedent. What do you = think?

doi la selpa'i, what is your idea behind this usage= ? Do you think the anaphora just occurs at the superficial textual level, s= o that {ny} would be equivalent to {lo narge}? Or do you think that {ko'= ;a poi broda} is meaningful in general, so that {ko'a} can in effect re= fer to a strict part of ko'a, i.e, as in {lo me ko'a}?

mu'o
mi'e .asiz.

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