Received: from mail-la0-f58.google.com ([209.85.215.58]:39177) by stodi.digitalkingdom.org with esmtps (TLSv1:RC4-SHA:128) (Exim 4.80.1) (envelope-from ) id 1W7eVl-0005j3-2u for lojban-list-archive@lojban.org; Sun, 26 Jan 2014 21:13:35 -0800 Received: by mail-la0-f58.google.com with SMTP id ec20sf788897lab.23 for ; Sun, 26 Jan 2014 21:13:21 -0800 (PST) DKIM-Signature: v=1; a=rsa-sha256; c=relaxed/relaxed; d=googlegroups.com; s=20120806; h=mime-version:date:message-id:subject:from:to:x-original-sender :x-original-authentication-results:reply-to:precedence:mailing-list :list-id:list-post:list-help:list-archive:sender:list-subscribe :list-unsubscribe:content-type; bh=/7b+2QtzLWvYUefEwr8nTh/z2+p8cd7yY5/JiVTCHtE=; b=qIERXsDE6tfBSR65Rcr27BxZMgyAMEa1824wvlY2PXGQFvY98/1K5E7BQmKdUQFRvY zAvlFwGSQxNQG+SDy0k3JBqsoPTPHXfHo35y7rVhi3c5OEEhJoJH958+r+ICk3IVJCua 9+xYQ/RrnpbJaAXqjbOjVT+AcpvxBEIBP7rZEAV3Gsxscv1Ct/pScdVy1Vf9TU/S6J+o bPsX2Y9Sp+6FweG13J8YkyElCWcCLteiH6smfyZZ8GKzP3g0AlwYeCGolJ7tqJF6emPV srAfHGHIbady9f+h20a+dcj7MhdObRV5oY82qmOxoSS9kmV3PtaILyZ91VFT3DUdqFw3 PfVQ== X-Received: by 10.152.22.37 with SMTP id a5mr541842laf.4.1390799601331; Sun, 26 Jan 2014 21:13:21 -0800 (PST) X-BeenThere: lojban@googlegroups.com Received: by 10.152.164.133 with SMTP id yq5ls398043lab.53.gmail; Sun, 26 Jan 2014 21:13:20 -0800 (PST) X-Received: by 10.112.25.39 with SMTP id z7mr15139473lbf.4.1390799600639; Sun, 26 Jan 2014 21:13:20 -0800 (PST) Received: from mail-ig0-x22c.google.com (mail-ig0-x22c.google.com [2607:f8b0:4001:c05::22c]) by gmr-mx.google.com with ESMTPS id z12si5534881bkg.3.2014.01.26.21.13.20 for (version=TLSv1 cipher=ECDHE-RSA-RC4-SHA bits=128/128); Sun, 26 Jan 2014 21:13:20 -0800 (PST) Received-SPF: pass (google.com: domain of felipeg.assis@gmail.com designates 2607:f8b0:4001:c05::22c as permitted sender) client-ip=2607:f8b0:4001:c05::22c; Received: by mail-ig0-f172.google.com with SMTP id k19so8034510igc.5 for ; Sun, 26 Jan 2014 21:13:19 -0800 (PST) MIME-Version: 1.0 X-Received: by 10.42.47.13 with SMTP id m13mr20201042icf.14.1390799599353; Sun, 26 Jan 2014 21:13:19 -0800 (PST) Received: by 10.64.223.168 with HTTP; Sun, 26 Jan 2014 21:13:19 -0800 (PST) Date: Mon, 27 Jan 2014 03:13:19 -0200 Message-ID: Subject: [lojban] [oz] {ko'a jibni lo ka broda} From: =?ISO-8859-1?Q?Felipe_Gon=E7alves_Assis?= To: lojban@googlegroups.com X-Original-Sender: felipeg.assis@gmail.com X-Original-Authentication-Results: gmr-mx.google.com; spf=pass (google.com: domain of felipeg.assis@gmail.com designates 2607:f8b0:4001:c05::22c as permitted sender) smtp.mail=felipeg.assis@gmail.com; dkim=pass header.i=@gmail.com; dmarc=pass (p=NONE dis=NONE) header.from=gmail.com Reply-To: lojban@googlegroups.com Precedence: list Mailing-list: list lojban@googlegroups.com; contact lojban+owners@googlegroups.com List-ID: X-Google-Group-Id: 1004133512417 List-Post: , List-Help: , List-Archive: Sender: lojban@googlegroups.com List-Subscribe: , List-Unsubscribe: , Content-Type: multipart/alternative; boundary=90e6ba6149fa12c67e04f0ecc417 X-Spam-Score: 0.0 (/) X-Spam_score: 0.0 X-Spam_score_int: 0 X-Spam_bar: / --90e6ba6149fa12c67e04f0ecc417 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1 Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable An example is {lo ka'=E0mru cu tai k=ECnli ja'e lo nu lo tr=ECcu cu ba zi j=ECbni lo ka= se k=E0tna} I understand that {ko'a jibni lo ka broda} here means something like {ko'a na ru'e broda}. At least to me, this use of jibni was new. I think it is nice to have a selbri for "almost", but what about {jbikai}? {ko'a jbikai ko'e} {ko'a ckaji lo jibni be ko'e} This way we don't have to rely on overloading, and avoid ambiguities when both jibni1 and jibni2 are properties. {jetyjbikai} could be used to say that a proposition is almost true, which I guess would be even closer to {na ru'e}. mu'o mi'e .asiz. --=20 You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups "= lojban" group. To unsubscribe from this group and stop receiving emails from it, send an e= mail to lojban+unsubscribe@googlegroups.com. To post to this group, send email to lojban@googlegroups.com. Visit this group at http://groups.google.com/group/lojban. For more options, visit https://groups.google.com/groups/opt_out. --90e6ba6149fa12c67e04f0ecc417 Content-Type: text/html; charset=ISO-8859-1 Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable
An example is
=A0 {lo ka'=E0mru= cu tai k=ECnli ja'e lo nu lo tr=ECcu cu ba zi j=ECbni lo ka se k=E0tna= }

I understand that {ko'a jibni lo ka broda} here means so= mething like {ko'a na ru'e broda}.

At least to me, this use of jibni was new.

I think it is nice to= have a selbri for "almost", but what about {jbikai}?
=A0 {ko&= #39;a jbikai ko'e}
=A0 {ko'a ckaji lo jibni be ko'e}
This way we don't have to rely on overloading, and avoid ambi= guities when both jibni1 and jibni2 are properties.

{jety= jbikai} could be used to say that a proposition is almost true, which I gue= ss would be even closer to {na ru'e}.

mu'o
mi'e .asiz.

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