Received: from mail-ea0-f191.google.com ([209.85.215.191]:63229) by stodi.digitalkingdom.org with esmtps (TLSv1:RC4-SHA:128) (Exim 4.80.1) (envelope-from ) id 1W7ogG-0000pA-E1 for lojban-list-archive@lojban.org; Mon, 27 Jan 2014 08:05:16 -0800 Received: by mail-ea0-f191.google.com with SMTP id z10sf892022ead.28 for ; Mon, 27 Jan 2014 08:04:53 -0800 (PST) DKIM-Signature: v=1; a=rsa-sha256; c=relaxed/relaxed; d=googlegroups.com; s=20120806; h=mime-version:in-reply-to:references:date:message-id:subject:from:to :x-original-sender:x-original-authentication-results:reply-to :precedence:mailing-list:list-id:list-post:list-help:list-archive :sender:list-subscribe:list-unsubscribe:content-type; bh=NuLgl73Qle3hMUBCO/hOZkcgLLuElTtXT/xU1i7IRDA=; b=OkN7YcBm+lK+pgFpW1ZbLW0Jrk8lrkD70znxpORb4qoNNGzX5UqZgFRjS7NxS/GNYi Ircl7N354wVUvNvRXy8R5vZUeyTzBTUd4AN1PMP8tl38Bj8K8W+cr0wS1LoPIR+y8RdY eeo6GH64T11MxptBzc5GC8SIQfHzhzJHaNqk5/DdHs2IggWL0UYQNCLbh71QeNkEqdEO XSnbHHV9wNXrYfa+0dh5r7fR6WhxcTSz8oJHek2BUAsPzTVzGxe+korlxbsOhMJMMaEH t1MHwKXvwCSZul1hZcN/N/GBrElW7KOaFUbeQW0OH9fOvd9hKB/zlVwk0gDfU9ZnKkku GO2g== X-Received: by 10.180.36.49 with SMTP id n17mr188263wij.20.1390838692892; Mon, 27 Jan 2014 08:04:52 -0800 (PST) X-BeenThere: lojban@googlegroups.com Received: by 10.180.77.229 with SMTP id v5ls931816wiw.23.canary; Mon, 27 Jan 2014 08:04:52 -0800 (PST) X-Received: by 10.180.149.141 with SMTP id ua13mr12519001wib.5.1390838692196; Mon, 27 Jan 2014 08:04:52 -0800 (PST) Received: from mail-qc0-x22c.google.com (mail-qc0-x22c.google.com [2607:f8b0:400d:c01::22c]) by gmr-mx.google.com with ESMTPS id th6si986627bkb.1.2014.01.27.08.04.51 for (version=TLSv1 cipher=ECDHE-RSA-RC4-SHA bits=128/128); Mon, 27 Jan 2014 08:04:52 -0800 (PST) Received-SPF: pass (google.com: domain of mturniansky@gmail.com designates 2607:f8b0:400d:c01::22c as permitted sender) client-ip=2607:f8b0:400d:c01::22c; Received: by mail-qc0-f172.google.com with SMTP id c9so8134129qcz.17 for ; Mon, 27 Jan 2014 08:04:51 -0800 (PST) MIME-Version: 1.0 X-Received: by 10.140.92.65 with SMTP id a59mr40956685qge.34.1390838691111; Mon, 27 Jan 2014 08:04:51 -0800 (PST) Received: by 10.96.3.3 with HTTP; Mon, 27 Jan 2014 08:04:51 -0800 (PST) In-Reply-To: <20140105232018.GE7778@samsa.fritz.box> References: <52C98ADE.3000601@gmx.de> <20140105232018.GE7778@samsa.fritz.box> Date: Mon, 27 Jan 2014 11:04:51 -0500 Message-ID: Subject: Re: [lojban] [oz] {lo prenu cu cmamau lo makcu} From: Michael Turniansky To: lojban@googlegroups.com X-Original-Sender: mturniansky@gmail.com X-Original-Authentication-Results: gmr-mx.google.com; spf=pass (google.com: domain of mturniansky@gmail.com designates 2607:f8b0:400d:c01::22c as permitted sender) smtp.mail=mturniansky@gmail.com; dkim=pass header.i=@gmail.com; dmarc=pass (p=NONE dis=NONE) header.from=gmail.com Reply-To: lojban@googlegroups.com Precedence: list Mailing-list: list lojban@googlegroups.com; contact lojban+owners@googlegroups.com List-ID: X-Google-Group-Id: 1004133512417 List-Post: , List-Help: , List-Archive: Sender: lojban@googlegroups.com List-Subscribe: , List-Unsubscribe: , Content-Type: multipart/alternative; boundary=001a113ab29e200f6d04f0f5dec4 X-Spam-Score: -0.7 (/) X-Spam_score: -0.7 X-Spam_score_int: -6 X-Spam_bar: / --001a113ab29e200f6d04f0f5dec4 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=UTF-8 Count me among the ones who would have used "lo'e" here, but I don't have a problem with the style of selpa'i ("selpa'i's" just looked too ridiculous to type ;-) ) --gejyspa On Sun, Jan 5, 2014 at 6:20 PM, v4hn wrote: > On Sun, Jan 05, 2014 at 05:39:58PM +0100, selpa'i wrote: > > la .asiz. cu cusku di'e > > > {lo prenu cu cmamau lo makcu poi dy ke'a se slabu}. > > > > > >The plausible interpretation is of course distributive, > > > {ro lo prenu cu cmamau ro lo makcu}. > > > > > >But, if predicates are to be defined on plural variables, shouldn't the > > >original sentence mean that the bunch of prenu is, collectively, smaller > > >than the bunch of makcu? > > I'm not even sure what "being collectively smaller" is supposed to mean, > really. > > I know it's out of fashion, but this seems to be a perfectly good place to > use {lo'e}. > > {lo prenu cu cmamau lo'e makcu poi dy ke'a se slabu} > > > v4hn > -- You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups "lojban" group. To unsubscribe from this group and stop receiving emails from it, send an email to lojban+unsubscribe@googlegroups.com. To post to this group, send email to lojban@googlegroups.com. Visit this group at http://groups.google.com/group/lojban. For more options, visit https://groups.google.com/groups/opt_out. --001a113ab29e200f6d04f0f5dec4 Content-Type: text/html; charset=UTF-8 Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable
=C2=A0 Count me among the ones who would have used "l= o'e" here, but I don't have a problem with the style of selpa&= #39;i ("selpa'i's" just looked too ridiculous to type ;-)= )=C2=A0

=C2=A0 =C2=A0 =C2=A0 =C2=A0 =C2=A0 --gejyspa

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On= Sun, Jan 5, 2014 at 6:20 PM, v4hn <me@v4hn.de> wrote:
On Sun, Jan 05, 2014 at 05= :39:58PM +0100, selpa'i wrote:
> la .asiz. cu cusku di'e
> > =C2=A0 {lo prenu cu cmamau lo makcu poi d= y ke'a se slabu}.
> >
> >The plausible interpretation is of course = distributive,
> > =C2=A0 {ro lo prenu cu cmamau ro lo makcu}.
> >
> >But, if predicates are to be defined on plural variables, shouldn&= #39;t the
> >original sentence mean that the bunch of prenu is, collectively, s= maller
> >than the bunch of makcu?

I'm not even sure what "being collectively smaller" is = supposed to mean, really.

I know it's out of fashion, but this seems to be a perfectly good place= to use {lo'e}.

{lo prenu cu cmamau lo'e makcu poi dy ke'a se slabu}


v4hn

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