Received: from mail-fa0-f64.google.com ([209.85.161.64]:42655) by stodi.digitalkingdom.org with esmtps (TLSv1:RC4-SHA:128) (Exim 4.80.1) (envelope-from ) id 1W7so1-0002VW-Dw for lojban-list-archive@lojban.org; Mon, 27 Jan 2014 12:29:25 -0800 Received: by mail-fa0-f64.google.com with SMTP id v1sf989285fav.9 for ; Mon, 27 Jan 2014 12:29:10 -0800 (PST) DKIM-Signature: v=1; a=rsa-sha256; c=relaxed/relaxed; d=googlegroups.com; s=20120806; h=mime-version:in-reply-to:references:date:message-id:subject:from:to :x-original-sender:x-original-authentication-results:reply-to :precedence:mailing-list:list-id:list-post:list-help:list-archive :sender:list-subscribe:list-unsubscribe:content-type; bh=e8hiMPFoNnyDu+N5zQj4U6ompQ6aPE+T/7rvsZyMzq4=; b=Ooven1XtJ0mLSZdjEdcYqahf4Xxs2QU4bkgPoovS1ASvQTJ9DIvufBsoM29kL/Edv5 Z4+DWRXiN9KgQ1HU32Zo4B1YUErvOV4taWOMKvGJT5aMxYHr6p0bmUF2Yd0miV6XsriW fpMXQWpCUj75bIaN3yzwWq3zsg2P1ODI7OBVeHUIs1jwWDzn8s2BL+ky77j8IvDux+wn VcS6rKY37O4ekYihW4a+V1AQQUvGzif+6ijFWWIQCkILkSsq4atPqYq+d+6bF2qxV8UE TnzFnb1XuO6wAukcKpP1AfyaIsfJhSoKt4vRlpkvfKHPPipTaAX9aWhSNdQ4RrhNNPgb 4zAQ== X-Received: by 10.180.170.38 with SMTP id aj6mr281797wic.16.1390854550103; Mon, 27 Jan 2014 12:29:10 -0800 (PST) X-BeenThere: lojban@googlegroups.com Received: by 10.180.206.169 with SMTP id lp9ls994656wic.4.gmail; Mon, 27 Jan 2014 12:29:09 -0800 (PST) X-Received: by 10.180.80.70 with SMTP id p6mr6555547wix.4.1390854549396; Mon, 27 Jan 2014 12:29:09 -0800 (PST) Received: from mail-qa0-x22a.google.com (mail-qa0-x22a.google.com [2607:f8b0:400d:c00::22a]) by gmr-mx.google.com with ESMTPS id th6si1693761bkb.1.2014.01.27.12.29.09 for (version=TLSv1 cipher=ECDHE-RSA-RC4-SHA bits=128/128); Mon, 27 Jan 2014 12:29:09 -0800 (PST) Received-SPF: pass (google.com: domain of mturniansky@gmail.com designates 2607:f8b0:400d:c00::22a as permitted sender) client-ip=2607:f8b0:400d:c00::22a; Received: by mail-qa0-x22a.google.com with SMTP id k4so8168314qaq.29 for ; Mon, 27 Jan 2014 12:29:09 -0800 (PST) MIME-Version: 1.0 X-Received: by 10.224.87.193 with SMTP id x1mr18552878qal.70.1390854549022; Mon, 27 Jan 2014 12:29:09 -0800 (PST) Received: by 10.96.3.3 with HTTP; Mon, 27 Jan 2014 12:29:08 -0800 (PST) In-Reply-To: <52C9939B.2070705@gmx.de> References: <52C9939B.2070705@gmx.de> Date: Mon, 27 Jan 2014 15:29:08 -0500 Message-ID: Subject: Re: [lojban] [oz] Assorted translation questions From: Michael Turniansky To: lojban@googlegroups.com X-Original-Sender: mturniansky@gmail.com X-Original-Authentication-Results: gmr-mx.google.com; spf=pass (google.com: domain of mturniansky@gmail.com designates 2607:f8b0:400d:c00::22a as permitted sender) smtp.mail=mturniansky@gmail.com; dkim=pass header.i=@gmail.com; dmarc=pass (p=NONE dis=NONE) header.from=gmail.com Reply-To: lojban@googlegroups.com Precedence: list Mailing-list: list lojban@googlegroups.com; contact lojban+owners@googlegroups.com List-ID: X-Google-Group-Id: 1004133512417 List-Post: , List-Help: , List-Archive: Sender: lojban@googlegroups.com List-Subscribe: , List-Unsubscribe: , Content-Type: multipart/alternative; boundary=001a11c3e246544d9904f0f98f3e X-Spam-Score: 0.0 (/) X-Spam_score: 0.0 X-Spam_score_int: 0 X-Spam_bar: / --001a11c3e246544d9904f0f98f3e Content-Type: text/plain; charset=UTF-8 Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable On Sun, Jan 5, 2014 at 12:17 PM, selpa'i wrote: > > > 3. {la .t=C5=8Dtos. cu pl=C4=97pe fi lo b=C4=97rka be dy gi'e sezym=C4= =97pri ni'a lo ck=C4=81na}; >> >> >> Two things make me uneasy about the choice of {sezymipri}. Firstly, >> because I think mipri2 would be {lo du'u vo'a zvati ma kau}. Secondly, >> because I don't think there is any mipri3 to hide from in this >> particular case. >> > > He might be hiding from potential enemies/threats, who knows what the dog > is thinking. .u'i > > What about {sezyselmragau}? >> > > This word is a bit long, sadly, but I like the idea of "giving oneself > shelter". It's a shame that the {sez-____-gau} circumfix is so verbose. I= t > would be nice if it were shorter as it does occur somewhat frequently. I'= m > going to go with your suggestion for now. > I was going to say that the mipri was exactly that, lo ckape, before I realized you already said that, selpa'i. Missed your comment.. te mipri don't have to be gasnu or tolmucti or even zasti in order to be hidden from. And to a dog, it is certainly something worth hiding from (anyone who owns dogs won't question this fact). I respectfully suggest your original word choice was better, sy. BTW, You never (as far as I can tell) answered Felipe's points 10-19, unless you did in private mail. --gejyspa --=20 You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups "= lojban" group. To unsubscribe from this group and stop receiving emails from it, send an e= mail to lojban+unsubscribe@googlegroups.com. To post to this group, send email to lojban@googlegroups.com. Visit this group at http://groups.google.com/group/lojban. For more options, visit https://groups.google.com/groups/opt_out. --001a11c3e246544d9904f0f98f3e Content-Type: text/html; charset=UTF-8 Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable



On Sun, Jan 5, 2014 at 12:17 PM, selpa'i <= seladwa@gmx.de><= /span> wrote:


3. {la .t=C5=8Dtos. cu pl=C4=97pe fi lo b=C4=97rka be dy gi'e sezym=C4= =97pri ni'a lo ck=C4=81na};


Two things make me uneasy about the choice of {sezymipri}. Firstly,
because I think mipri2 would be {lo du'u vo'a zvati ma kau}. Second= ly,
because I don't think there is any mipri3 to hide from in this
particular case.

He might be hiding from potential enemies/threats, who knows what the dog i= s thinking. .u'i

What about {sezyselmragau}?

This word is a bit long, sadly, but I like the idea of "giving oneself= shelter". It's a shame that the {sez-____-gau} circumfix is so ve= rbose. It would be nice if it were shorter as it does occur somewhat freque= ntly. I'm going to go with your suggestion for now.

=C2=A0 I was going to say that the mipri w= as exactly that, lo ckape, before I realized you already said that, selpa&#= 39;i. =C2=A0Missed your comment.. =C2=A0te mipri don't have to be gasnu= =C2=A0or tolmucti or even zasti in order to be hidden from. =C2=A0And to a= dog, it is certainly something worth hiding from (anyone who owns dogs won= 't question this fact). =C2=A0I respectfully suggest your original word= choice was better, sy.

=C2=A0 =C2=A0 BTW, You never (as far as I can tell) ans= wered Felipe's points 10-19, unless you did in private mail.
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=C2=A0 =C2=A0 =C2=A0 =C2=A0 =C2=A0 =C2=A0 --gejyspa

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