Received: from mail-fa0-f59.google.com ([209.85.161.59]:44008) by stodi.digitalkingdom.org with esmtps (TLSv1:RC4-SHA:128) (Exim 4.80.1) (envelope-from ) id 1W89tu-0007JL-1H for lojban-list-archive@lojban.org; Tue, 28 Jan 2014 06:44:32 -0800 Received: by mail-fa0-f59.google.com with SMTP id n1sf137890fan.4 for ; Tue, 28 Jan 2014 06:44:22 -0800 (PST) DKIM-Signature: v=1; a=rsa-sha256; c=relaxed/relaxed; d=googlegroups.com; s=20120806; h=mime-version:in-reply-to:references:date:message-id:subject:from:to :x-original-sender:x-original-authentication-results:reply-to :precedence:mailing-list:list-id:list-post:list-help:list-archive :sender:list-subscribe:list-unsubscribe:content-type; bh=fgvvqMmUoLne3IU7IxuJoWOxEgvTfXuavl7DYR9lyU4=; b=a7VMqsC60wxXuqPRcGu8SOLhLqUZbXwuufeSBV7DBj34+fve/TX3PGDCNODL1klhnC dKtcr7ifwhxBmhBLbCQHTx5h4+Y7h1TBn/sZtfHcDUobjHtB4zo53DNMVFKUsYy1NLgs SE6u7XXxVnfGFmSxWIts0T356ytl/Nh1S6ZMJXt52326ZeqA0RzjIEnMrJ8PUb8XnlX0 Fv4ZOor0hvkv4MIEMQjPTo2Y3VEUcdByTxNpKsBHBR04me4bk1I5ED/4VyzOx5Ht2d3U ljGWnq8RTGXeF5teuYhWBjMmsTskOr5kZG6n1nueduTYWuLiPJMMhoBTNArMoGL74iqA CeNA== X-Received: by 10.152.20.70 with SMTP id l6mr38392lae.32.1390919530574; Tue, 28 Jan 2014 06:32:10 -0800 (PST) X-BeenThere: lojban@googlegroups.com Received: by 10.152.163.65 with SMTP id yg1ls546506lab.6.gmail; Tue, 28 Jan 2014 06:32:10 -0800 (PST) X-Received: by 10.152.5.6 with SMTP id o6mr1076857lao.0.1390919530021; Tue, 28 Jan 2014 06:32:10 -0800 (PST) Received: from mail-wg0-x232.google.com (mail-wg0-x232.google.com [2a00:1450:400c:c00::232]) by gmr-mx.google.com with ESMTPS id th6si435723bkb.1.2014.01.28.06.32.09 for (version=TLSv1 cipher=ECDHE-RSA-RC4-SHA bits=128/128); Tue, 28 Jan 2014 06:32:09 -0800 (PST) Received-SPF: pass (google.com: domain of vastencn@gmail.com designates 2a00:1450:400c:c00::232 as permitted sender) client-ip=2a00:1450:400c:c00::232; Received: by mail-wg0-x232.google.com with SMTP id l18so929594wgh.29 for ; Tue, 28 Jan 2014 06:32:09 -0800 (PST) MIME-Version: 1.0 X-Received: by 10.194.92.164 with SMTP id cn4mr25435wjb.74.1390919529831; Tue, 28 Jan 2014 06:32:09 -0800 (PST) Received: by 10.194.125.173 with HTTP; Tue, 28 Jan 2014 06:32:09 -0800 (PST) In-Reply-To: References: <5c7ddd46-5073-4a88-8aa7-35740de8c9bc@googlegroups.com> <20140127210123.019568e2@aol.com> Date: Tue, 28 Jan 2014 22:32:09 +0800 Message-ID: Subject: Re: [lojban] 3D Conscript, should work for lojban :) From: Matthew DeBlock To: lojban@googlegroups.com X-Original-Sender: vastencn@gmail.com X-Original-Authentication-Results: gmr-mx.google.com; spf=pass (google.com: domain of vastencn@gmail.com designates 2a00:1450:400c:c00::232 as permitted sender) smtp.mail=vastencn@gmail.com; dkim=pass header.i=@gmail.com; dmarc=pass (p=NONE dis=NONE) header.from=gmail.com Reply-To: lojban@googlegroups.com Precedence: list Mailing-list: list lojban@googlegroups.com; contact lojban+owners@googlegroups.com List-ID: X-Google-Group-Id: 1004133512417 List-Post: , List-Help: , List-Archive: Sender: lojban@googlegroups.com List-Subscribe: , List-Unsubscribe: , Content-Type: multipart/alternative; boundary=047d7bfceb4a7ca0a304f108b033 X-Spam-Score: 0.0 (/) X-Spam_score: 0.0 X-Spam_score_int: 0 X-Spam_bar: / --047d7bfceb4a7ca0a304f108b033 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1 hehe.. yes.. it is definitely not meant as a means of "publishing document".. more for art and fun I usually build in 2D then fold into 3D, akin to protein folding. Once in 3D form, legibility (at least from a human perspective) decreases.. or becomes "harder". Often reaching the point where information is "lost" in a 2D picture. Taken to the extreme, the outer wire could even completely block the visibility of some/all the inner wire from all directions It could be considered a form of "3d physical visual encryption"(perhaps "envelope" or "lock" is better than "encryption" in this case) It would have to be unfolded, ensuring that all trit forms are preserved, before you could access the inner text or... an "encryption" system could be used so that there are rules, where some of the trits are changed as the structure is unfolded the rules could be simple, or "cumulative" so that as you "read your way in", the morphing rules change depending on the text already read. Or there could be characters specially for defining morph rules anyways, the design is geared toward a a simple and easy to accomplish method that can be used on wire wire being the key word.. The script is designed for wire(and common tools.. aka needle nose pliers) not "the wire designed for script" On Tue, Jan 28, 2014 at 5:07 PM, Gleki Arxokuna wrote: > > > > On Tue, Jan 28, 2014 at 12:01 AM, Wuzzy wrote: > >> Random ideas how to make WireScript compatible with Lojban: >> 1. Replace "h" with "'" >> 2. Replace "q" with "," >> 3. Replace "w" with "." >> > > mi stidi lo nu zo'oi , sinxa zo'oi w gi'e zo'oi . sinxa zo'oi q (to catlu > la'o url. > http://www.lojban.org/tiki/apostropheless+alternative+orthographies .url > toi) > > >> 4. Multiple spaces in row mean the same thing as a single space. >> 5. Two commas in row explicitly indicate the next syllable is >> stressed. This trick is possible because two commas don't make sense in >> Lojban otherwise. Lojban's syllable rules are used to determine when the >> stressed syllable is over. Example: "uuZIT" corresponds to "uu,,zit" in >> Wirescript letters. >> 6. All other letters stay the same for convenience. >> >> Not that I am really into WireScript ... ;-) >> > > mi si'a go'i > >> >> -- >> Wuzzy >> XMPP: Wuzzy2@jabber.ccc.de >> E-Mail: wuzzy2@mail.ru >> >> -- >> You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups >> "lojban" group. >> To unsubscribe from this group and stop receiving emails from it, send an >> email to lojban+unsubscribe@googlegroups.com. >> >> To post to this group, send email to lojban@googlegroups.com. >> Visit this group at http://groups.google.com/group/lojban. >> For more options, visit https://groups.google.com/groups/opt_out. >> > > -- > You received this message because you are subscribed to a topic in the > Google Groups "lojban" group. > To unsubscribe from this topic, visit > https://groups.google.com/d/topic/lojban/KSuSPI00mU8/unsubscribe. > To unsubscribe from this group and all its topics, send an email to > lojban+unsubscribe@googlegroups.com. > To post to this group, send email to lojban@googlegroups.com. > Visit this group at http://groups.google.com/group/lojban. > For more options, visit https://groups.google.com/groups/opt_out. > -- You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups "lojban" group. To unsubscribe from this group and stop receiving emails from it, send an email to lojban+unsubscribe@googlegroups.com. To post to this group, send email to lojban@googlegroups.com. Visit this group at http://groups.google.com/group/lojban. For more options, visit https://groups.google.com/groups/opt_out. --047d7bfceb4a7ca0a304f108b033 Content-Type: text/html; charset=ISO-8859-1 Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable 
hehe.. yes.. it is definitely not meant as a means of=
 "publishing document".. more for art and fun

I usually bu=
ild in 2D then fold into 3D, akin to protein folding.
Once in 3D form, legibility (at least from a human perspective) decreases..=
 or becomes "harder".
Often reaching the point where information is "lost" in a 2D pict=
ure.
Taken to the extreme, the outer wire could even completely block the visibi=
lity of some/all the inner wire from all directions

It could be considered a form of "3d physical visual encryption"(=
perhaps "envelope" or "lock" is better than "encry=
ption" in this case)
It would have to be unfolded, ensuring that all trit forms are preserved, b=
efore you could access the inner text

or... an "encryption" system could be used so that there are rule=
s, where some of the trits are changed as the structure is unfolded
the rules could be simple, or "cumulative" so that as you "r=
ead your way in", the morphing rules change depending on the text alre=
ady read.
Or there could be characters specially for defining morph rules

anyways, the design is geared toward a a simple and easy to accomplish meth=
od that can be used on wire
wire being the key word..=20

The script is designed for wire(and common tools.. aka needle nose pliers)
not "the wire designed for script"


On Tue, Jan 28, 2014 at 5:07 PM,= Gleki Arxokuna <gleki.is.my.name@gmail.com> wrote:=



On Tue, Jan 28, 20= 14 at 12:01 AM, Wuzzy <almikes@aol.com> wrote:
Random ideas how to make WireScript compatible with Lojban= :
1. Replace “h” with “'”
2. Replace “q” with “,”
3. Replace “w” with “.”

mi stidi lo nu zo'oi , sinxa zo'oi w gi'e zo'= ;oi . sinxa zo'oi q (to catlu la'o url. http= ://www.lojban.org/tiki/apostropheless+alternative+orthographies .url to= i)
 
4. Multiple spaces in row mean the same thing as a single space.
5. Two commas in row explicitly indicate the next syllable is
stressed. This trick is possible because two commas don’t make sense = in
Lojban otherwise. Lojban’s syllable rules are used to determine when = the
stressed syllable is over. Example: “uuZIT” corresponds to &ldq= uo;uu,,zit” in
Wirescript letters.
6. All other letters stay the same for convenience.

Not that I am really into WireScript … ;-)

=
mi si'a go'i

--
Wuzzy
XMPP: Wuzzy2@jabb= er.ccc.de
E-Mail: wuzzy2@mail.ru<= /a>

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