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An interesting project.

But, oh god, why Google Docs? I hate this shit.

Anyways.  To all newbies: Don=E2=80=99t trust this document, it has a coupl=
e of
mistakes and is full of oversimplifications. But yeah, that=E2=80=99s the
problem with quick introductions.

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=E2=80=9Cmi tavla do pa lo skina je lo xrula=E2=80=9D
This text is not grammatical.

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=E2=80=9Ci pei do tugni ?=E2=80=9D is NOT =E2=80=9CDo you agree?=E2=80=9D. =
First mistake: Lojban does
not known the question mark. Remember this an introduction to Lojban,
not an introduction to weird alternative experimental orthographies.

Second mistake: The word =E2=80=9Cpei=E2=80=9D is far fetched here. Actuall=
y it=E2=80=99s a
question for emotion. But the English is clearly a simple yes/no
question.
So why not =E2=80=9Cxu=E2=80=9D?
=E2=80=9Ci xu do tugni=E2=80=9D would be much better.

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Also the slides are full of oversimplifications. Okay, not surprising
for a short introduction. But these oversimplifications are wrong and
misleading.

=E2=80=9Cvanci coi la alis=E2=80=9D =3D =E2=80=9CGood evening, Alice.=E2=80=
=9D
This is a bit far fetched, I think. This may be true for this very
context, but newbies may be lead to thinking this could be somehow
generalized. The text does not lose a way about the implications.

First, there are no such things as verbs and nouns in Lojban! What you
are actually refering to is a completely different word class, a
brivla, in English we could call it =E2=80=9Crelation=E2=80=9D.


=E2=80=9Clo nei=E2=80=9D =3D =E2=80=9Coneself=E2=80=9D
Oh boy. Translating this with =E2=80=9Coneself=E2=80=9D is only correct in =
the context
of this example. But it can=E2=80=99t be generalized.

There are some other oversimplifications.

Perhaps it is a good idea to put a warning on the first slide that this
thing is a radical oversimplification of Lojban. Links to other
learning resources (except the wiki) would be useful.

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Why do you introduce =E2=80=9Cmi'ai=E2=80=9D, an experimental cmavo? I don=
=E2=80=99t think it
is a good idea to introduce experimental stuff before even the basics
are tought.

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Normally, I would have edited this document right away without
complaining, just improving stuff. But since this is on Google Docs and
Google Docs does not export the file to an open AND editable format like
OpenDocument, I am not willing to edit it. :-(

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