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How to quickly create sentences Date: Fri, 31 Jan 2014 23:28:52 -0500 Message-ID: <39754452.qBRO9r5Y0J@caracal> User-Agent: KMail/4.8.5 (Linux/3.2.0-58-generic; KDE/4.8.5; x86_64; ; ) In-Reply-To: References: MIME-Version: 1.0 X-Original-Sender: phma@bezitopo.org X-Original-Authentication-Results: gmr-mx.google.com; spf=neutral (google.com: 75.180.132.120 is neither permitted nor denied by best guess record for domain of phma@bezitopo.org) smtp.mail=phma@bezitopo.org Reply-To: lojban@googlegroups.com Precedence: list Mailing-list: list lojban@googlegroups.com; contact lojban+owners@googlegroups.com List-ID: X-Google-Group-Id: 1004133512417 List-Post: , List-Help: , List-Archive: Sender: lojban@googlegroups.com List-Subscribe: , List-Unsubscribe: , Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1 X-Spam-Score: -0.0 (/) X-Spam_score: -0.0 X-Spam_score_int: 0 X-Spam_bar: / On Wednesday, January 29, 2014 12:40:46 Gleki Arxokuna wrote: > https://docs.google.com/presentation/d/1Yrxt9gAtqA_oSDD76Toq8VLSZjjOxJ5rkKsx > Fs3Cw8E/ #3: I'd say "lo skina". "pa lo skina" is "one movie". "lo skina" sounds more natural, but can also mean "movies", as Lojban has no grammatical number. lu pei do tugni li'u zo'u mi tugni fi tu'a lu xu do tugni li'u "lo" does not make a noun. "la" makes, or takes, a noun, if anything in Lojban can be called a noun. I don't know "mi'ai". Lojban has clusivity. It has "mi'o", "mi'a" and "ma'a"; also "mi" can be used with a plural referent (since it has no grammatical number), implying that we all say the same thing. #14: "ca" is a tense marker. Like all tense markers, it can be used as a preposition, but it's primarily a tense marker. And they are followed by a sumti, which can be a noun, but more commonly is an article phrase. #14,#15: "yesterday's day" sounds like it means "prulamdonri". #16: "bai" without an object does not turn into a tense. It's a proper preposition. #20: There is no such thing as an adjective or adverb in Lojban. The verb (i.e. brivla) doesn't change to another part of speech just because you modify another verb with it. It's a verb modifying a verb, which is not common in English ("drip dry" and "stir fry" are examples) but very common in Lojban. #36: There's no infinitive in Lojban, as verbs are not inflected. "lo ka broda" is an abstraction phrase. It can be translated as an infinitive, but that doesn't make it one. Pierre -- loi mintu se ckaji danlu cu jmaji -- You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups "lojban" group. To unsubscribe from this group and stop receiving emails from it, send an email to lojban+unsubscribe@googlegroups.com. To post to this group, send email to lojban@googlegroups.com. Visit this group at http://groups.google.com/group/lojban. For more options, visit https://groups.google.com/groups/opt_out.