Received: from mail-pa0-f61.google.com ([209.85.220.61]:60768) by stodi.digitalkingdom.org with esmtps (TLSv1:RC4-SHA:128) (Exim 4.80.1) (envelope-from ) id 1W9elQ-0001L3-VE for lojban-list-archive@lojban.org; Sat, 01 Feb 2014 09:54:02 -0800 Received: by mail-pa0-f61.google.com with SMTP id fa1sf1679560pad.6 for ; Sat, 01 Feb 2014 09:53:51 -0800 (PST) DKIM-Signature: v=1; a=rsa-sha256; c=relaxed/relaxed; d=googlegroups.com; s=20120806; h=date:from:to:message-id:in-reply-to:references:subject:mime-version :x-original-sender:reply-to:precedence:mailing-list:list-id :list-post:list-help:list-archive:sender:list-subscribe :list-unsubscribe:content-type; bh=xPRIug9dtRmC4NCH8srnLMbwLeO3x179QBBPOtPux8U=; b=C9u/beOMfj5yZDe2J4cEAop+Ko5G4FJXUkUCuWe6jCPPl/6MNGzPZuZ3s2c+T14MJb QzKY697ceSURHwv4RShnZ7qg7JYaBcmD/3421a6pn2OxJ0cBIUAvVFsgPYLIcHDOlVSn x0sH9DgKqYAtzeDgS0lQRSO9AsHHBnihCJQRjiuYU51t5Yr0/09CkBI2JoVm5u5+etuS BRUfD6SGS2j5emIhCy/ViR4qiVYp5inTjxO9JQo2UV6+9yV5+Pb9wZnE1LdCyi3huOOG aDT57UEJEmoLGECHqGZsSQcI6LOPRp6BmYY6aYxU7EJvaq0atEcKRse3LCCCKOkxlUr6 nQNg== X-Received: by 10.140.94.234 with SMTP id g97mr74030qge.9.1391277230997; Sat, 01 Feb 2014 09:53:50 -0800 (PST) X-BeenThere: lojban@googlegroups.com Received: by 10.140.81.209 with SMTP id f75ls1436149qgd.48.gmail; Sat, 01 Feb 2014 09:53:50 -0800 (PST) X-Received: by 10.140.101.242 with SMTP id u105mr550617qge.0.1391277230429; Sat, 01 Feb 2014 09:53:50 -0800 (PST) Date: Sat, 1 Feb 2014 09:53:49 -0800 (PST) From: Yixuan Zhu To: lojban@googlegroups.com Message-Id: <9cd1f346-4e83-4e2c-85cc-54bc30fe39ac@googlegroups.com> In-Reply-To: References: <39754452.qBRO9r5Y0J@caracal> Subject: Re: [lojban] Introduction to Lojban. How to quickly create sentences MIME-Version: 1.0 X-Original-Sender: sulzedax@cms.hu-berlin.de Reply-To: lojban@googlegroups.com Precedence: list Mailing-list: list lojban@googlegroups.com; contact lojban+owners@googlegroups.com List-ID: X-Google-Group-Id: 1004133512417 List-Post: , List-Help: , List-Archive: Sender: lojban@googlegroups.com List-Subscribe: , List-Unsubscribe: , Content-Type: multipart/alternative; boundary="----=_Part_1985_24965052.1391277229811" X-Spam-Score: 0.0 (/) X-Spam_score: 0.0 X-Spam_score_int: 0 X-Spam_bar: / ------=_Part_1985_24965052.1391277229811 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=UTF-8 Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable Hi Gleki, I saw you added even more slides: That is great! As I am more or less one of the "newbies" everyone is talking about, I feel= =20 that I am in the position to provide feedback, and will. Until then, keep= =20 up the good work. Of course no introduction can cover every aspect of the= =20 language, that is the whole point of an "introduction". As to the "correct= =20 description of grammatical parts", I think without reference to existing=20 languages, it is close to impossible to teach/learn a new one, so a=20 balanced reference to "nouns", etc. is very appropriate. Once learners can= =20 feel and use some parts of lojban, they will feel more motivated to learn= =20 more about the grammatical awesomeness. If we cannot explain it simple, then complex explanation will be good for= =20 nothing. Yours, Davjd On Saturday, February 1, 2014 7:52:16 AM UTC+1, la gleki wrote: > > > > > On Sat, Feb 1, 2014 at 10:14 AM, Felipe Gon=C3=A7alves Assis < > felipe...@gmail.com > wrote: > >> >> >> >> On 1 February 2014 03:54, Gleki Arxokuna >> > wrote: >> >>> >>> >>> >>> On Sat, Feb 1, 2014 at 8:28 AM, Pierre Abbat >>> > wrote: >>> =20 >>> >>>> "lo" does not make a noun. >>> >>> >>> Then why {mlatu} =3D "... is a cat of breed ..." and {lo mlatu} =3D "a= =20 >>> cat/the cat/cats/the cats"? >>> >>> >> I guess Pierre meant that it is more of a noun phrase (or article phrase= =20 >> as he said), and you probably don't bother because Russian doesn't have= =20 >> articles, right? >> > > idk how is that relevant. > {bajra} =3D to run. > {lo bajra} =3D a runner/the runner/runners. > Clearly, brivla (verbs) are transformed into nouns using {lo}. > English article "the" can be translated using {le}, {bi'unai} and other= =20 > things. > > --=20 >> You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Group= s=20 >> "lojban" group. >> To unsubscribe from this group and stop receiving emails from it, send a= n=20 >> email to lojban+un...@googlegroups.com . >> To post to this group, send email to loj...@googlegroups.com >> . >> Visit this group at http://groups.google.com/group/lojban. >> For more options, visit https://groups.google.com/groups/opt_out. >> > > --=20 You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups "= lojban" group. 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Hi Gleki, I saw you added even more slides: That is great!=
As I am more or less one of the "newbies" everyone is talking about, I = feel that I am in the position to provide feedback, and will. Until then, k= eep up the good work. Of course no introduction can cover every aspect of t= he language, that is the whole point of an "introduction". As to the "corre= ct description of grammatical parts", I think without reference to existing= languages, it is close to impossible to teach/learn a new one, so a balanc= ed reference to "nouns", etc. is very appropriate. Once learners can feel a= nd use some parts of lojban, they will feel more motivated to learn more ab= out the grammatical awesomeness.

If we cannot explain it simple, the= n complex explanation will be good for nothing.

Yours,
Davjd
<= br>


On Saturday, February 1, 2014 7:52:16 AM UTC+1, la gleki wro= te:

<= br>
On Sat, Feb 1, 2014 at 10:14 AM, Felipe G= on=C3=A7alves Assis <felipe...@gmail.com> wrote:



On 1 February 2014 03:54, Gleki Arxokuna <gleki.is...@gmail.com&= gt; wrote:



On Sat, Feb 1, 2014 at 8:28 AM, Pierre Abb= at <ph...@bezitop= o.org> wrote:
 
"lo" does not make a noun.

Then why {= mlatu} =3D "... is a cat of breed ..."  and {lo mlatu} =3D "a cat/the = cat/cats/the cats"?


I guess Pierre me= ant that it is more of a noun phrase (or article phrase as he said), and yo= u probably don't bother because Russian doesn't have articles, right?

idk how is that re= levant.
{bajra}  =3D to run.
{lo bajra} =3D a runn= er/the runner/runners.
Clearly, brivla (verbs) are transformed in= to nouns using {lo}.
English article "the" can be translated using {le}, {bi'unai} and othe= r things.

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