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[75.180.132.120]) by gmr-mx.google.com with ESMTP id ai11si2589870vdc.3.2014.02.01.23.10.13 for ; Sat, 01 Feb 2014 23:10:13 -0800 (PST) Received-SPF: neutral (google.com: 75.180.132.120 is neither permitted nor denied by best guess record for domain of phma@bezitopo.org) client-ip=75.180.132.120; X-Authority-Analysis: v=2.0 cv=b8cwE66x c=1 sm=0 a=GbbTObCcR0DEgiyvVRM9bQ==:17 a=1TgBNrMDQccA:10 a=TMWcxx2GWuUA:10 a=Yr05hP5UdKEA:10 a=LlzFzjEJNC0A:10 a=kj9zAlcOel0A:10 a=JNFw9bs7AAAA:8 a=KGjhK52YXX0A:10 a=nvihIkmAhy0A:10 a=J-asBOYtZZnFc1hHT9oA:9 a=CjuIK1q_8ugA:10 a=GbbTObCcR0DEgiyvVRM9bQ==:117 X-Cloudmark-Score: 0 X-Authenticated-User: X-Originating-IP: 98.122.190.249 Received: from [98.122.190.249] ([98.122.190.249:47625] helo=leopard.ixazon.lan) by cdptpa-oedge02.mail.rr.com (envelope-from ) (ecelerity 2.2.3.46 r()) with ESMTP id C9/93-21976-45FEDE25; Sun, 02 Feb 2014 07:10:12 +0000 Received: from caracal.localnet (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by leopard.ixazon.lan (Postfix) with ESMTP id 475672D8B for ; Sun, 2 Feb 2014 02:10:12 -0500 (EST) From: Pierre Abbat To: lojban@googlegroups.com Subject: Re: [lojban] Introduction to Lojban. How to quickly create sentences Date: Sun, 02 Feb 2014 02:10:09 -0500 Message-ID: <1685398.xqsd0HJnxl@caracal> User-Agent: KMail/4.8.5 (Linux/3.2.0-58-generic; KDE/4.8.5; x86_64; ; ) In-Reply-To: References: <2591144.W3QC0Ir5tr@caracal> MIME-Version: 1.0 X-Original-Sender: phma@bezitopo.org X-Original-Authentication-Results: gmr-mx.google.com; spf=neutral (google.com: 75.180.132.120 is neither permitted nor denied by best guess record for domain of phma@bezitopo.org) smtp.mail=phma@bezitopo.org Reply-To: lojban@googlegroups.com Precedence: list Mailing-list: list lojban@googlegroups.com; contact lojban+owners@googlegroups.com List-ID: X-Google-Group-Id: 1004133512417 List-Post: , List-Help: , List-Archive: Sender: lojban@googlegroups.com List-Subscribe: , List-Unsubscribe: , Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1 X-Spam-Score: 0.0 (/) X-Spam_score: 0.0 X-Spam_score_int: 0 X-Spam_bar: / On Sunday, February 02, 2014 09:54:13 Gleki Arxokuna wrote: > But many English words that we know as "nouns" are not nouns. > > "A traveller to London is crazy." = {lo litru be la .lyndyn. cu fenki} > Isn't "traveller" a noun? It's a noun derived from a verb. In English, a prepositional phrase can modify a verb, noun, or adjective. You can say "I travel the Tube", but "A traveller the Tube is crazy" is ungrammatical. > The point of this course to make others feel Lojban is an easy language > close to English (and other similar languages like French, Russian, > German). That's why any alien terminology and even constructs are to be > removed. Lojban isn't an Indo-European language. When learning Hebrew, one encounters alien terminology, such as "lamed he verb" and "hishtaph`el", which describe features peculiar to Semitic languages. Some common verbs, such as "`asah" (to make), are lamed he verbs, so you can't avoid them. > For Japanese speakers there should be a separate introduction probably with > topic-comment style. lo xanto zo'u lo nazbi cu clani mu'omi'e .pier. -- gau do li'i co'e kei do -- You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups "lojban" group. 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