Received: from mail-bk0-f62.google.com ([209.85.214.62]:46005) by stodi.digitalkingdom.org with esmtps (TLSv1:RC4-SHA:128) (Exim 4.80.1) (envelope-from ) id 1W9rxM-0004yB-5H for lojban-list-archive@lojban.org; Sat, 01 Feb 2014 23:59:21 -0800 Received: by mail-bk0-f62.google.com with SMTP id ej10sf787179bkb.27 for ; Sat, 01 Feb 2014 23:59:00 -0800 (PST) DKIM-Signature: v=1; a=rsa-sha256; c=relaxed/relaxed; d=googlegroups.com; s=20120806; h=mime-version:in-reply-to:references:date:message-id:subject:from:to :x-original-sender:x-original-authentication-results:reply-to :precedence:mailing-list:list-id:list-post:list-help:list-archive :sender:list-subscribe:list-unsubscribe:content-type; bh=SCFVDeI4b1EJ1mkaC1Wq+Hjko9wLhju40nqRCpiJtpA=; b=F+8//cRJtcSeJ0qjd4dlw7ojwwOgTIzfE3til+d0cCvbyC7qGxzjVgCszgeTHSd+rB 1FR8nbX1w4UQkG3gCqTKS66WpFGDexvUfSlz6MsVzToYHhg536RM0BhIOjovK6rZGEqy HAF+xslqx+MUUJQ4atc6TVnW8PRjFqeV81wgO8TAeidqxlFwT+mxwGwLlxJykwtPkFLW qCBjXf+/WEzrXE+xTPc//B1vM44SGSLzxITw6RYPBbuPdxCOHFY/AHEyaqvS8xE9Mbwr Cxx8+qxUwHQ5KYw2qdkaQQTUs2njVMZrnGBEneYG8HGXsspmiGpDmTY8pXTaE2TNT/wb b6ZQ== X-Received: by 10.152.21.72 with SMTP id t8mr79lae.39.1391327940282; Sat, 01 Feb 2014 23:59:00 -0800 (PST) X-BeenThere: lojban@googlegroups.com Received: by 10.152.88.6 with SMTP id bc6ls228107lab.15.gmail; Sat, 01 Feb 2014 23:58:59 -0800 (PST) X-Received: by 10.112.169.6 with SMTP id aa6mr13523989lbc.12.1391327939795; Sat, 01 Feb 2014 23:58:59 -0800 (PST) Received: from mail-wg0-x234.google.com (mail-wg0-x234.google.com [2a00:1450:400c:c00::234]) by gmr-mx.google.com with ESMTPS id v8si226289wiw.2.2014.02.01.23.58.58 for (version=TLSv1 cipher=ECDHE-RSA-RC4-SHA bits=128/128); Sat, 01 Feb 2014 23:58:58 -0800 (PST) Received-SPF: pass (google.com: domain of gleki.is.my.name@gmail.com designates 2a00:1450:400c:c00::234 as permitted sender) client-ip=2a00:1450:400c:c00::234; Received: by mail-wg0-f52.google.com with SMTP id b13so10837483wgh.7 for ; Sat, 01 Feb 2014 23:58:58 -0800 (PST) MIME-Version: 1.0 X-Received: by 10.180.109.16 with SMTP id ho16mr2547848wib.3.1391327938647; Sat, 01 Feb 2014 23:58:58 -0800 (PST) Received: by 10.194.82.135 with HTTP; Sat, 1 Feb 2014 23:58:58 -0800 (PST) In-Reply-To: <1685398.xqsd0HJnxl@caracal> References: <2591144.W3QC0Ir5tr@caracal> <1685398.xqsd0HJnxl@caracal> Date: Sun, 2 Feb 2014 11:58:58 +0400 Message-ID: Subject: Re: [lojban] Introduction to Lojban. How to quickly create sentences From: Gleki Arxokuna To: lojban@googlegroups.com X-Original-Sender: gleki.is.my.name@gmail.com X-Original-Authentication-Results: gmr-mx.google.com; spf=pass (google.com: domain of gleki.is.my.name@gmail.com designates 2a00:1450:400c:c00::234 as permitted sender) smtp.mail=gleki.is.my.name@gmail.com; dkim=pass header.i=@gmail.com; dmarc=pass (p=NONE dis=NONE) header.from=gmail.com Reply-To: lojban@googlegroups.com Precedence: list Mailing-list: list lojban@googlegroups.com; contact lojban+owners@googlegroups.com List-ID: X-Google-Group-Id: 1004133512417 List-Post: , List-Help: , List-Archive: Sender: lojban@googlegroups.com List-Subscribe: , List-Unsubscribe: , Content-Type: multipart/alternative; boundary=e89a8f3bb0498c9d3a04f167c7a6 X-Spam-Score: 0.0 (/) X-Spam_score: 0.0 X-Spam_score_int: 0 X-Spam_bar: / --e89a8f3bb0498c9d3a04f167c7a6 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=UTF-8 Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable On Sun, Feb 2, 2014 at 11:10 AM, Pierre Abbat wrote: > On Sunday, February 02, 2014 09:54:13 Gleki Arxokuna wrote: > > But many English words that we know as "nouns" are not nouns. > > > > "A traveller to London is crazy." =3D {lo litru be la .lyndyn. cu fenki= } > > Isn't "traveller" a noun? > > It's a noun derived from a verb. So what ...? This is exactly like Lojban works {litru} =3D> {lo litru}. Exclusions are pronouns (KOhA) which are not derived from verbs. In English, a prepositional phrase can modify > a verb, noun, or adjective. You can say "I travel the Tube", but "A > traveller > the Tube is crazy" is ungrammatical. > Of course. One of the meaning of English "of" is like of Lojbanic {be}. > > The point of this course to make others feel Lojban is an easy language > > close to English (and other similar languages like French, Russian, > > German). That's why any alien terminology and even constructs are to be > > removed. > > Lojban isn't an Indo-European language. I'm not saying it. The purpose of the course is to present it in an understandable style, not to turn it into an Indo-European language. > When learning Hebrew, one encounters > alien terminology, such as "lamed he verb" and "hishtaph`el", which > describe > features peculiar to Semitic languages. Some common verbs, such as "`asah= " > (to > make), are lamed he verbs, so you can't avoid them. > The concept presented in this course is not suitable for Semitic languages. E.g. I'm not mentioning i=E1=B8=8D=C4=81fa although for Arabic speakers one= might consider using this term. > > > For Japanese speakers there should be a separate introduction probably > with > > topic-comment style. > > lo xanto zo'u lo nazbi cu clani > i ma nabmi i li'a na smuni satci i ku'i mi jimpe lo du'u makau smuni > mu'omi'e .pier. > -- > gau do li'i co'e kei do > > -- > You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups > "lojban" group. > To unsubscribe from this group and stop receiving emails from it, send an > email to lojban+unsubscribe@googlegroups.com. > To post to this group, send email to lojban@googlegroups.com. > Visit this group at http://groups.google.com/group/lojban. > For more options, visit https://groups.google.com/groups/opt_out. > --=20 You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups "= lojban" group. To unsubscribe from this group and stop receiving emails from it, send an e= mail to lojban+unsubscribe@googlegroups.com. To post to this group, send email to lojban@googlegroups.com. Visit this group at http://groups.google.com/group/lojban. For more options, visit https://groups.google.com/groups/opt_out. --e89a8f3bb0498c9d3a04f167c7a6 Content-Type: text/html; charset=UTF-8 Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable



On Sun, Feb 2, 2014 at 11:10 AM, Pierre Abbat <= ;phma@bezitopo.org> wrote:
On Sunday, February 02, 2014 09:54:13 Gl= eki Arxokuna wrote:
> But many English words that we know as "nouns" are not nouns= .
>
> "A traveller to London is crazy." =3D {lo litru be la .lyndy= n. cu fenki}
> Isn't "traveller" a noun?

It's a noun derived from a verb.

= So what ...? This is exactly like Lojban works {litru} =3D> {lo litru}. = Exclusions are pronouns (KOhA) which are not derived from verbs.

In English, a prepositional phrase can modify a verb, noun, or adjective. You can say "I travel the Tube", but = "A traveller
the Tube is crazy" is ungrammatical.

Of course. One of the meaning of English "of" is like of Lojba= nic {be}.


> The point of this course to make others feel Lojban is an easy languag= e
> close to English (and other similar languages like French, Russian, > German). That's why any alien terminology and even constructs are = to be
> removed.

Lojban isn't an Indo-European language.


mu'omi'e .pier.
--
gau do li'i co'e kei do

--
You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups &= quot;lojban" group.
To unsubscribe from this group and stop receiving emails from it, send an e= mail to lojban+uns= ubscribe@googlegroups.com.
To post to this group, send email to lojban@googlegroups.com.
Visit this group at http://groups.google.com/group/lojban.
For more options, visit https://groups.google.com/groups/opt_out.

--
You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups &= quot;lojban" group.
To unsubscribe from this group and stop receiving emails from it, send an e= mail to lojban+unsubscribe@googlegroups.com.
To post to this group, send email to lojban@googlegroups.com.
Visit this group at http:= //groups.google.com/group/lojban.
For more options, visit https://groups.google.com/groups/opt_out.
--e89a8f3bb0498c9d3a04f167c7a6--