Received: from mail-fa0-f62.google.com ([209.85.161.62]:57184) by stodi.digitalkingdom.org with esmtps (TLSv1:RC4-SHA:128) (Exim 4.80.1) (envelope-from ) id 1WATwV-0000ur-UJ for lojban-list-archive@lojban.org; Mon, 03 Feb 2014 16:32:54 -0800 Received: by mail-fa0-f62.google.com with SMTP id s1sf894460fas.27 for ; Mon, 03 Feb 2014 16:32:40 -0800 (PST) DKIM-Signature: v=1; a=rsa-sha256; c=relaxed/relaxed; d=googlegroups.com; s=20120806; h=mime-version:in-reply-to:references:date:message-id:subject:from:to :x-original-sender:x-original-authentication-results:reply-to :precedence:mailing-list:list-id:list-post:list-help:list-archive :sender:list-subscribe:list-unsubscribe:content-type; bh=O2EeZbv0AfXVsgsdkuoHCBUGOJP+dumQYNsBPYbf294=; b=PA9ZdKR7x9ClfmJx/Nky939lxycozrIjHOi4fZdzZ7uJMViP4cidpHBucvvQm2YGX8 vf1AHuTtTYbxwzFahhfq4jDhr2Uyc3js2cPQ8Qbnv8twiN+IhrL+EdmacRLTaSTWtLv7 fa4WtbeVz7NE3Ttu2kOktWZKZkOMaaWq2cBBdTEg3dZ5sEEb9QsjaMaKoQYAi0ier+LQ mBsKnmqC7T6fModedy4bi0/2RLK3rz98PIIBhg3VNiawRn9CAAq9NCTV01cGPv58iw21 pxAMsEsawmk6HiF2vQV565SuNJXRS/Uh3JvQlDt/vC5N8Z173/tGcZBwaPQV/YKAA7X6 FjNQ== X-Received: by 10.180.73.142 with SMTP id l14mr67512wiv.0.1391473960410; Mon, 03 Feb 2014 16:32:40 -0800 (PST) X-BeenThere: lojban@googlegroups.com Received: by 10.180.20.100 with SMTP id m4ls527208wie.38.gmail; Mon, 03 Feb 2014 16:32:39 -0800 (PST) X-Received: by 10.14.246.4 with SMTP id p4mr18075849eer.3.1391473959780; Mon, 03 Feb 2014 16:32:39 -0800 (PST) Received: from mail-lb0-x229.google.com (mail-lb0-x229.google.com [2a00:1450:4010:c04::229]) by gmr-mx.google.com with ESMTPS id rg9si914467bkb.1.2014.02.03.16.32.39 for (version=TLSv1 cipher=ECDHE-RSA-RC4-SHA bits=128/128); Mon, 03 Feb 2014 16:32:39 -0800 (PST) Received-SPF: pass (google.com: domain of felipeg.assis@gmail.com designates 2a00:1450:4010:c04::229 as permitted sender) client-ip=2a00:1450:4010:c04::229; Received: by mail-lb0-f169.google.com with SMTP id q8so6054665lbi.28 for ; Mon, 03 Feb 2014 16:32:39 -0800 (PST) MIME-Version: 1.0 X-Received: by 10.112.126.164 with SMTP id mz4mr6701lbb.52.1391473959376; Mon, 03 Feb 2014 16:32:39 -0800 (PST) Received: by 10.112.166.194 with HTTP; Mon, 3 Feb 2014 16:32:39 -0800 (PST) In-Reply-To: References: Date: Mon, 3 Feb 2014 22:32:39 -0200 Message-ID: Subject: Re: [lojban] Individuals and xorlo From: =?ISO-8859-1?Q?Felipe_Gon=E7alves_Assis?= To: lojban@googlegroups.com X-Original-Sender: felipeg.assis@gmail.com X-Original-Authentication-Results: gmr-mx.google.com; spf=pass (google.com: domain of felipeg.assis@gmail.com designates 2a00:1450:4010:c04::229 as permitted sender) smtp.mail=felipeg.assis@gmail.com; dkim=pass header.i=@gmail.com; dmarc=pass (p=NONE dis=NONE) header.from=gmail.com Reply-To: lojban@googlegroups.com Precedence: list Mailing-list: list lojban@googlegroups.com; contact lojban+owners@googlegroups.com List-ID: X-Google-Group-Id: 1004133512417 List-Post: , List-Help: , List-Archive: Sender: lojban@googlegroups.com List-Subscribe: , List-Unsubscribe: , Content-Type: multipart/alternative; boundary=001a11c36e1c101ed604f189c782 X-Spam-Score: 0.0 (/) X-Spam_score: 0.0 X-Spam_score_int: 0 X-Spam_bar: / --001a11c36e1c101ed604f189c782 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1 Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable On 3 February 2014 22:21, Jorge Llamb=EDas wrote: > > > > On Mon, Feb 3, 2014 at 9:14 PM, Felipe Gon=E7alves Assis < > felipeg.assis@gmail.com> wrote: > >> Here is a way if recovering the concept of an individual elephant just >> from the concepts of elephants and parthood: >> A xanto pamei is something that is xanto and that can't be divided in tw= o >> things such that each one is xanto. >> >> That may (perhaps) work for xanto, but it won't work for djacu. or even > worse, for kurfa. > > I was pretty sure I was missing something, yes. With {djacu}, that doesn't create any issues in defining what can be {lo pa djacu}, but with {kurfa}, that means that the concept of kurfa pamei precedes that of kurfa, right? I guess this is what troubles danr. mu'o mi'e .asiz. --=20 You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups "= lojban" group. To unsubscribe from this group and stop receiving emails from it, send an e= mail to lojban+unsubscribe@googlegroups.com. To post to this group, send email to lojban@googlegroups.com. Visit this group at http://groups.google.com/group/lojban. For more options, visit https://groups.google.com/groups/opt_out. --001a11c36e1c101ed604f189c782 Content-Type: text/html; charset=ISO-8859-1 Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable

= On 3 February 2014 22:21, Jorge Llamb=EDas <jjllambias@gmail.com>= ; wrote:



On Mon, Feb 3, 2014 at 9:14 PM, Felipe Gon=E7alves Assis <felipeg.a= ssis@gmail.com> wrote:
Her= e is a way if recovering the concept of an individual elephant just from th= e concepts of elephants and parthood:
A xanto pamei is something that is xanto and that can't be divided in t= wo things such that each one is xanto.

That may (perhaps) work = for xanto, but it won't work for djacu. or even worse, for kurfa.=A0


I was pretty sure I was missing something, yes.

With = {djacu}, that doesn't create any issues in defining what can be {lo pa = djacu}, but with {kurfa}, that means that the concept of kurfa pamei preced= es that of kurfa, right? I guess this is what troubles danr.

mu'o
mi'e .asiz.

--
You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups &= quot;lojban" group.
To unsubscribe from this group and stop receiving emails from it, send an e= mail to lojban+unsubscribe@googlegroups.com.
To post to this group, send email to lojban@googlegroups.com.
Visit this group at http:= //groups.google.com/group/lojban.
For more options, visit https://groups.google.com/groups/opt_out.
--001a11c36e1c101ed604f189c782--