Received: from mail-pd0-f189.google.com ([209.85.192.189]:45897) by stodi.digitalkingdom.org with esmtps (TLSv1:RC4-SHA:128) (Exim 4.80.1) (envelope-from ) id 1WAcfY-0003YT-RP for lojban-list-archive@lojban.org; Tue, 04 Feb 2014 01:52:00 -0800 Received: by mail-pd0-f189.google.com with SMTP id y10sf2668162pdj.6 for ; Tue, 04 Feb 2014 01:51:46 -0800 (PST) DKIM-Signature: v=1; a=rsa-sha256; c=relaxed/relaxed; d=googlegroups.com; s=20120806; h=mime-version:in-reply-to:references:date:message-id:subject:from:to :x-original-sender:x-original-authentication-results:reply-to :precedence:mailing-list:list-id:list-post:list-help:list-archive :sender:list-subscribe:list-unsubscribe:content-type; bh=t+SsAx5lFWg+57XsonoDsp+U95xQ58bkM3W2HGe6VhE=; b=F1qaNbOpAP3vBTP/6JOvW2zUddCy64a5oxHxsh3yT9FWYqNshWir3YiFjuXBMC8rZ1 EBuo5xppo6v81P93Nk7OTjEzyJLSuIYQTv6Yax0QsxBtVaZXwH+PrgXehnB4X6ARnlqv GLf0DgRN66VKjvYl4ah8FmqnhvlvNtmI+I3PKVDHVTOnBBT+d6ppAjM3m25g4TvVAooG fHSxW1Js3LEiShYNWhXRKZRoYFEg4EddMDA2Z5ZM7lhTLnMHt8Lh/gJbVAmaSjQdzQOJ kwxUBEPhG+zHi+z4TFcvye3aACNIcKgebbEbc7YoOCvsasRan9OnXpxmVnFhmQRVjqy3 jaUQ== X-Received: by 10.140.100.150 with SMTP id s22mr14004qge.24.1391507506704; Tue, 04 Feb 2014 01:51:46 -0800 (PST) X-BeenThere: lojban@googlegroups.com Received: by 10.140.88.203 with SMTP id t69ls2329139qgd.87.gmail; Tue, 04 Feb 2014 01:51:46 -0800 (PST) X-Received: by 10.52.94.47 with SMTP id cz15mr13711340vdb.0.1391507506338; Tue, 04 Feb 2014 01:51:46 -0800 (PST) Received: from mail-qc0-x22e.google.com (mail-qc0-x22e.google.com [2607:f8b0:400d:c01::22e]) by gmr-mx.google.com with ESMTPS id gw3si1591502qcb.2.2014.02.04.01.51.45 for (version=TLSv1 cipher=ECDHE-RSA-RC4-SHA bits=128/128); Tue, 04 Feb 2014 01:51:45 -0800 (PST) Received-SPF: pass (google.com: domain of eyeonus@gmail.com designates 2607:f8b0:400d:c01::22e as permitted sender) client-ip=2607:f8b0:400d:c01::22e; Received: by mail-qc0-x22e.google.com with SMTP id x13so12866877qcv.19 for ; Tue, 04 Feb 2014 01:51:45 -0800 (PST) MIME-Version: 1.0 X-Received: by 10.140.37.47 with SMTP id q44mr60805613qgq.57.1391507505225; Tue, 04 Feb 2014 01:51:45 -0800 (PST) Received: by 10.96.188.65 with HTTP; Tue, 4 Feb 2014 01:51:45 -0800 (PST) In-Reply-To: References: <5c3089a5-ee11-4333-90da-0949df1c39a5@googlegroups.com> <529DB630.4070107@gmx.de> <1c70a014-4773-4425-8739-8c2f46a4a541@googlegroups.com> Date: Tue, 4 Feb 2014 02:51:45 -0700 Message-ID: Subject: Re: [lojban] Translation From: Jonathan Jones To: lojban@googlegroups.com X-Original-Sender: eyeonus@gmail.com X-Original-Authentication-Results: gmr-mx.google.com; spf=pass (google.com: domain of eyeonus@gmail.com designates 2607:f8b0:400d:c01::22e as permitted sender) smtp.mail=eyeonus@gmail.com; dkim=pass header.i=@gmail.com; dmarc=pass (p=NONE dis=NONE) header.from=gmail.com Reply-To: lojban@googlegroups.com Precedence: list Mailing-list: list lojban@googlegroups.com; contact lojban+owners@googlegroups.com List-ID: X-Google-Group-Id: 1004133512417 List-Post: , List-Help: , List-Archive: Sender: lojban@googlegroups.com List-Subscribe: , List-Unsubscribe: , Content-Type: multipart/alternative; boundary=001a11c120628d245704f1919698 X-Spam-Score: 0.0 (/) X-Spam_score: 0.0 X-Spam_score_int: 0 X-Spam_bar: / --001a11c120628d245704f1919698 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1 Well, as I'm sure everyone here is aware by now, I don't like fu'ivla, so I don't like any of the cipnr- words. :) "Nightingale", for instance, I'd rather use something like {lo cipni be la ctesa'afe'i}, {lo ctesa'afetcpi}, or even just plain {lo ctesa'afei}, which happens to even have the same syllabic number as the English. "Cuckoo", is obviously a bit harder, since the name is based on the sound they make, so I can't think of anything better than cipnrkuku off the top of my head. Pierre has a lot more experience with coming up with Lojban names for animals than I, so maybe he'll take a crack at it. I'd probably just go with the cmene {la.kukus.}, actually. And as for "Underware", I'm almost certain that's not referring to garments worn beneath pants or other below waist clothing, so that's a definite no. On Tue, Feb 4, 2014 at 2:01 AM, Gleki Arxokuna wrote: > Yes, you are right. So Old World flycatchers (Muscicapidae) include > Nightingales (Luscinia megarhynchos). > > In this case I wonder what is meant by "flycatcher" in the text. > i ku'i di'e pei > > i ko na cipnrkuku fau lo nu do cipnrlusinia > i ko na cipnrlusinia ja sfani bo kavbu fau lo nu do gerku > i ku'i ro da ka'e bacru > i mi'e lai nenri taxfu > > > > On Tue, Feb 4, 2014 at 12:53 PM, Jonathan Jones wrote: > >> On Tue, Feb 4, 2014 at 1:50 AM, Gleki Arxokuna < >> gleki.is.my.name@gmail.com> wrote: >> >>> >>> >> turdida >>> >>> >> >> From the Wikipedia entry on the Nightingale >> : >> The *Common Nightingale* or simply *Nightingale* (*Luscinia megarhynchos*), >> also known as *Rufous Nightingale*, is a small passerine >> bird that was formerly classed as a >> member of the thrush family >> Turdidae , but is now more >> generally considered to be an Old World flycatcher, >> Muscicapidae . It belongs to >> a group of more terrestrial species, often called chats >> . >> >> >> -- >> mu'o mi'e .aionys. >> >> .i.e'ucai ko cmima lo pilno be denpa bu .i doi.luk. mi patfu do zo'o >> (Come to the Dot Side! Luke, I am your father. :D ) >> >> -- >> You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups >> "lojban" group. >> To unsubscribe from this group and stop receiving emails from it, send an >> email to lojban+unsubscribe@googlegroups.com. >> To post to this group, send email to lojban@googlegroups.com. >> Visit this group at http://groups.google.com/group/lojban. >> For more options, visit https://groups.google.com/groups/opt_out. >> > > -- > You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups > "lojban" group. > To unsubscribe from this group and stop receiving emails from it, send an > email to lojban+unsubscribe@googlegroups.com. > To post to this group, send email to lojban@googlegroups.com. > Visit this group at http://groups.google.com/group/lojban. > For more options, visit https://groups.google.com/groups/opt_out. > -- mu'o mi'e .aionys. .i.e'ucai ko cmima lo pilno be denpa bu .i doi.luk. mi patfu do zo'o (Come to the Dot Side! 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Well, as I'm sure everyone here is aware by now, = I don't like fu'ivla, so I don't like any of the cipnr- words. = :)

"Nightingale", for instance, I'd rather use somethi= ng like {lo cipni be la ctesa'afe'i}, {lo ctesa'afetcpi}, or ev= en just plain {lo ctesa'afei}, which happens to even have the same syll= abic number as the English.

"Cuckoo", is obviously a bit harder, since the nam= e is based on the sound they make, so I can't think of anything better = than cipnrkuku off the top of my head. Pierre has a lot more experience wit= h coming up with Lojban names for animals than I, so maybe he'll take a= crack at it. I'd probably just go with the cmene {la.kukus.}, actually= .

And as for "Underware", I'm almost certain tha= t's not referring to garments worn beneath pants or other below waist c= lothing, so that's a definite no.


On Tue, Feb 4, 2014 at 2:01 AM, Gleki Ar= xokuna <gleki.is.my.name@gmail.com> wrote:
Yes, you are right. So Old World flycatchers (Muscicapidae= ) include Nightingales (Luscinia megarhynchos).

In this = case I wonder what is meant by "flycatcher" in the text.
i ku'i di'e pei

i ko na cipnrkuku fau= lo nu do cipnrlusinia
i ko na cipnrlusinia ja sfani bo kavbu= fau lo nu do gerku
i ku'i ro da ka'e b= acru
i mi'e lai nenri taxfu



On Tue= , Feb 4, 2014 at 12:53 PM, Jonathan Jones <eyeonus@gmail.com> wrote:
On Tue, Feb = 4, 2014 at 1:50 AM, Gleki Arxokuna <gleki.is.my.name@gmail.com> wrote:
<snip> =
turdida
<snip>

From= the= Wikipedia entry on the Nightingale:
The Common Nig= htingale or simply Nightingale (Luscinia megarhynchos), a= lso known as Rufous Nightingale, is a small passerine<= /a> bird that was formerly classed as a member of the thrush family Turdidae, but is now more ge= nerally considered to be an Old World f= lycatcher, Muscicapidae. It belongs to a group= of more terrestrial species, often called chats.=


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